Newman may not be back

[casmith07]

TNew will be back and play well under JG and Ryan. The entire teams mentality is in for a huge overhaul this offseason and upcoming TC...

Agreed. Jenkins will be better, too.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually I look for very few cuts before camp. Last years mess with cutting Hamlin and then flo; then watching Ball screw things up and Barron flailing around had to make an impact on Jerruh.

 

[realtick]

FIRST: You CAN'T have it both ways. YOU are claiming that the Cowboys can save 5 million dollars by cutting Roy Williams for next year, despite the cap hit being higher. That means YOU are going on a yearly basis. Well, guess what ? In 2011, Dez Bryant salary is $1,112,500, which is PEANUTS in the NFL, barely above the veteran free agent minimum.

If YOU were going by the TOTAL contract, then it's obvious that it's cheaper to keep RW than to cut him, which blows your argument out of the water.

Lol, why do you do this to yourself. Every single time you try to come out swinging hard and fast, only to embarrass yourself because you either completely whiff on the important things like facts or show a complete noob approach to interpreting them. What's funny is, after being shown the facts, you typically run-off hiding hoping the thread will just go away.

Let me oblige you and educate you once again...

Dez's contract includes what's called a "signing bonus," in this case $8.63 million (he has another $3.185 million "likely to be earned" one-time incentive clause too). Gauranteed bonus money adds an increased value to the player's base yearly salary. So glibly looking at a yearly salary like Dez's $1.12 million salary isn't reflective of what the cap hit is for that year.

For example: Roy Williams base salary in 2005 for the Lions was a mere $305,000. Now, a guy like you would gleefully try to point out "see, Roy really comes cheap!" However, in complete ignorance you would fail to realize that he actually cost $3.945 million in salary cap space due to gauranteed bonus money considerations.

The point is, Dez isn't signed to a mega-contract, but he isn't making "peanuts" as you suppose.

Next...

2011: Miles salary= 8.54 mills. Roy Williams = 5.1 mills....

Let me just stop you in your tracks right there before you continue this nonsense.

Straight from Nick Eatman: "Williams is set to count about $9.4 million against the cap next year. That's including a salary that jumps to $5.10 million next season and a prorated signing bonus amount of about $4.3 million.

So he plays on the Cowboys next year and Williams counts about $9.4 million. If the Cowboys decide to release him, it would cost in the ballpark of $12.9 million, maybe even over $13 million."

So, as we discussed in my first lesson for you, looking at player's yearly base salary isn't going to tell you entirely what that player's impact on the salary cap is going to be.

So, it's Miles Austin $8.54 + Roy's $9.4 million against the cap.

...and that does NOT include the group of free agents WRs such as:

Sidney Rice
Malcum Floyd
Vincent Jackson
Steve Smith ( NYG )
Braylon Edwards
Santonio Holmes

Who are probably going to be resigned by their own teams ( or other teams ) to contracts making 6, 7, or more millions in 2011 and have other receivers on those same rosters currently making 4 and 5 million dollars

First, that's pure speculation on your part to assume that they will resign with their current team.

Second, and more importantly so, each one of those receivers (outside of arguably Malcolm Floyd) is hands-down better receivers qualitatively and quantatively (production) than Roy Williams.

That's the key and goes back to square one of my last post. Roy Williams is getting paid at an elite level, but producing like an average Joe.

All you're attempting to do is gloss over his ineptness in Dallas find a way justify his contract (annual impact or entire contract) by saying "well schuks, we're getting good production out of Dez feeer cheap and not much out of Roy for a lot....it all balances out!"

That COULD be said about just about every team only with different positions. ALL teams have " heavy salary positions " and are " cheap " on others. It goes by the philosophy of the coach and/or front office. Because we can't do it at every position and it just so happen that AT THIS POINT IN TIME, we could afford it at the WR position.

Thanks captain obvious for dovetailing my thought. The point in this case is the Cowboys went heavy at receiver to the detriment of other positions such as safety.

Lol, yeah, that worked out just splendid for us at the safety position.

But whatever we need to do to keep "the Precious" aka Roy Williams on the squad for you.

Roy WIlliams is making 5.1 million dollars in 2011, not 9.36 millions. Get your facts straight.

Yeah, I think it's been demonstrated clearly that you're completely ignorant regarding what Roy Williams is actually getting paid and what it counts against the cap.

Any further nonsense about him being paid "just $5.1 million" will be considered just pure intellectual dishonesty.

This statement shows your INFINITE IGNORANCE on the subject. Researching the above figures which, unsurprisingly, proved your SILLY statement WRONG, I ran into a plethora of receivers averaging 4 and 5 million dollars per year. Lee Evans, Chad Johnson ( Ochocinco ), Donald Driver, Bernard Berrian, Hines Ward, just to name a few. Almost every team has at least one and WHEN this season starts, most teams WILL have at least 2.

Lol, unbelievable.

TO made $2.33 million last season and is a FA in '11. Who plays opposite of Hines Ward that is making money? How about Lee Evans? Greg Jennings is making roughly $3.5-4 million a year and worth every penny. Is Roy Williams? Donald Driver is scheduled to make 2011: $4.1 million (+ $700,000 roster bonus + $200,000 workout bonus). That's a shade under $10 million.

Let me help you again, Miles and Roy are scheduled to count nearly $18 million ($17.94) against the cap next year. Again, give me a combo of receivers that is making anywhere close to that. Simple addition.

You have NO CLUE as to how " it " works.

:laugh2:

 

[burmafrd]

you are deluding yourself. Jerruh is quite willing to spend millions on players if he thinks we might need them next year. He is certainly not cash strapped. If Jason tells him we do not need this player and he can be let go then he will go. If not he will stay no matter what he costs.

 

[jterrell]

scattershooting:

-TNew is in the top 5 most likely cut players. He is over 30, expensive, plays a skill position, and there are 4 or 5 better options in free agency.

-We are 100% not trading up for PP. For the love of gawd that will not happen. Period. Stephen Jones hates paying rookies top 10 money. He will not be in on a trade up. If anyone has a source selling them this then consider that source a lying ball of poop. Any indication we'd trade up is pure propaganda.

-We likely go after an immediate upgrade plus draft a CB but that CB may be later then day 1.

-We would certainly draft PP if he were there at 9 but he won't last past 3.

-Ryan will get to work with Jenkins but he is not going to be handed the exact same coverage defense. He will be given the chance to bring in some guys who know his scheme already.

-Fairly certain we'll have at least 1 new starting safety, a new DL that can fill out the starting group with Bowen and Ratliff, a new nickel LB and 1 new CB.

 

[burmafrd]

4 0r 5 better options than TNew? Nmadi will cost a bunch. Who else out there can we get as good as newman and cheaper?

 

[Mansta54]

Agreed. Jenkins will be better, too.

Yep, and I bet Jenkins goes back to his 2009 form.. A "real" tough physical TC goes a long way with strong no nonsense coaches running it. Our team will be well prepaired mentally and physically in 2011.

 

[jterrell]

4 0r 5 better options than TNew? Nmadi will cost a bunch. Who else out there can we get as good as newman and cheaper?

NA, Champ, Jon. Joseph, Cromartie, Ronde Barber(yes he retires or goes back to TB) and a much larger handful who had better CB metrics this past season and are younger like Brent Grimes or the young Ravens CBs.

TNew is an older player coming off a terrible season where he ranked the 3rd worst starting CB in football who makes a lot of money.

Dallas had Jenkins rank even worse but he is young and fairly cheap so they will try to rehabilitate him. You can't rehabilitate loss of speed and athleticism which seemed to be TNew's issue this year. He went from never getting beaten deep to routinely getting beaten deep.

 

[burmafrd]

Champ is older than TNEw. Joseph and Cromartie and Barber are not as good despite whatever weird stats you want to come up with. And I also said CHEAPER in case you did notice. Young CBs that have proven themselves and that are available- frankly ZIP. Do not know where you get this stuff from.

 

[Woods]

About a week or two ago JJ came out and said that he thought the CBs for the Cowboys were pretty good - based on what if appears that RR said. Basically, that Newman needs to play closer to the LOS and not way off the WR so as Newman doesn't need to keep guessing.

Seemed like RR was a fan of Newman.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Despite his shortcomings, he'd get picked up pretty quickly.

You better believe it. Several teams would be after him.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If Newman goes, I don't see any way we dont draft Prince or Peterson and go after a FA corner

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jerry's not deciding who's on the team anymore, he wont have anything to do with whether RW is here or not.

If Garrett doesnt want him here, he wont be here.

Do you really believe that? So basically you feel this is Garrett's team and he's going to make or break them? I doubt that.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Jerry's not deciding who's on the team anymore, he wont have anything to do with whether RW is here or not.

If Garrett doesnt want him here, he wont be here.

I'll take "Gullible and Easily Deceived" for $500

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If Newman goes, I don't see any way we dont draft Prince or Peterson and go after a FA corner

Oh I see a way. Peterson and Prince are potentially top 6 pick. Prince may fall to #8 but he's not falling to us at #9. And there are only a handful of guys that are as good as Newman or better than Newman and there's no guarantee to pick up anyone of them.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Oh I see a way. Peterson and Prince are potentially top 6 pick. Prince may fall to #8 but he's not falling to us at #9. And there are only a handful of guys that are as good as Newman or better than Newman and there's no guarantee to pick up anyone of them.

Peterson OR Prince (likely Peterson) are top 6 picks, but both won't go that early. I'd be surprised if both went before our pick, and it's pointless to debate that anyway as nobody likes trading on draft day more than Jerry.

As for FA signees, there's several that are more consistent if not more physically gifted than Newman.

All that being said, I don't think we should release him.

 

[DCBoysfan]

TNew will be back and play well under JG and Ryan. The entire teams mentality is in for a huge overhaul this offseason and upcoming TC...

I think so also, he is still a quality starting CB in the NFL. But Dallas should still look for a another CB early in the draft.

 

[newlander]

I think so also, he is still a quality starting CB in the NFL. But Dallas should still look for a another CB early in the draft.

.......for any decent/good teams and a starter for crap teams. He isn't a high quality starter any more. Hasn't been a difference maker in 2-3 season. Time to cut bait.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He isn't a high quality starter any more. Hasn't been a difference maker in 2-3 season. Time to cut bait.

The amount of hate TNew gets is just amazing to me. The last 3 or 4 years this guy has easily taken more heat than any other player. Considering the amount of heat guys like Ellis, Flo, Jenkins and more have taken that is saying something.

 

[casmith07]

The amount of hate TNew gets is just amazing to me. The last 3 or 4 years this guy has easily taken more heat than any other player. Considering the amount of heat guys like Ellis, Flo, Jenkins and more have taken that is saying something.

The only guy that took more heat arguably is Roy Williams, but he took a majority of that heat in the off-season between 09 and 10.

It's incredible how little some fans know about playing CB.