Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

JustChip

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I disagree about Dak being horrible essentially the entire game. Sure he wasn't Brees level, but despite a slow start I thought he played well. As for those two passes for the big yards, first, it makes no sense to discard those, as if he didn't throw and complete those passes, second, every other QB gets credit for the yardage after the catch so why shouldn't Dak, and third, even if Cooper hadn't gained the yardage after the catch it was still a first down and the drive would have continued, likely with Dak throwing for more yardage.

Right. That's akin to saying Big Ben's 97 yard TD pass should be disregarded because it had 70 YAC? Or Zeke isn't any good because he rushing 15 times for a 3.5 YPC and then has a 60 yard run. Stats don't lie, but they certainly are misleading when looked at in a vacuum. A stat can be found that supports any story a person wants to tell.
 

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Ahh so what your telling the rest of us schlubs, is AFTER Dak hit Cooper on a few passing routes, one of which was thrown between 2 defenders closing, those were Coopers big time plays... gotcha.


Well.. Dak had 285 passing yards and 190 of it was YAC yards so you tell me.


The throw to Cooper for his 2nd TD was brilliant but those throws for Dak are few and far between.
 

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He is the guy who fumbled in the endzone giving them the first win.

Ask them what they think about Cooper!

And I think Dak learned from that fumble.
I noticed, especially on his TD scramble, when there were Washington players around him, he put 2 hands on the ball.
 

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Right. That's akin to saying Big Ben's 97 yard TD pass should be disregarded because it had 70 YAC? Or Zeke isn't any good because he rushing 15 times for a 3.5 YPC and then has a 60 yard run. Stats don't lie, but they certainly are misleading when looked at in a vacuum. A stat can be found that supports any story a person wants to tell.

What is that old saying, 90% of stats are made up on the spot. Well in here it is 99% are made up to put down a QB. :muttley:
 

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Ok so say those two passes don’t go for tds....then we finish the two drives for tds....same outcome since we’re talking hypothetically
 

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And I think Dak learned from that fumble.
I noticed, especially on his TD scramble, when there were Washington players around him, he put 2 hands on the ball.

The fumble did not bother me as much as the absolute panic in the pocket when Zeke was right there in the flat!
 

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This might be the best way to look at it. We might be able to win with Dak but he's never going to be that guy that can overcome crap breaking down all around him like other top QBs can and have.
What QB have we had that could?

I'm actually refreshed that we're building the team to be balanced instead of putting all of our eggs in the gunslinger basket. How did that work out for us?
 

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That's why you don't rely on someone's ratings. Trust what you see.

There isn't a person reading this that doesn't know Dak Prescott isn't a good starting QB. It's just that only some of us can admit it.

The OP was about Dak in the Commanders game, and even if Dak is not the answer at QB - and I don't think he is - that doesn't somehow mean he plays poorly every game. And the fact Cooper had a lot of yardage after the catch does not somehow mean Dak was horrible essentially the whole game like the OP indicated. Without question he did not play at a "carry the team on his back" level, but he played well. And the reality is it is nonsense to treat those plays as if Dak didn't complete the passes, and as if without the run after the catch the drives would have ended and Dak wouldn't have thrown for additional yards on those possessions. In both cases the plays would have resulted in first downs even without the extra yardage and the possession would have continued.
 
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This might be the best way to look at it. We might be able to win with Dak but he's never going to be that guy that can overcome crap breaking down all around him like other top QBs can and have.
Dak Prescott will never be a QB that elevates the players around him like Drew Brees does. He is the QB that needs the players around him like Zeke, the and WR's to elevate HIM.

Some fans are ok with that. Just build around him. Others want the QB to be THE guy. And Prescott can't be that.

That's why there will never be consensus on this forum and elsewhere about Dak. Even if he wins a Super Bowl the qustion will always be was it Dak? Or was it the other guys.
 

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Right. It's not like if those two plays were incomplete that the drives mysteriously disappear.
The whole "take away the 2 passes" is beyond a stretch.

I love it when one poster brings up the Commanders and then I answer a question and I get called out for bringing up what the skins think.

Mistakes fine - panic not. No pocket presence!
 

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That's why you don't rely on someone's ratings. Trust what you see.

There isn't a person reading this that doesn't know Dak Prescott isn't a good starting QB. It's just that only some of us can admit it.

I think it's more that he is good when he plays within his skills and experience. The question is, will Dak grow as time goes on?
 

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The OP was about the Dak in the Commanders game, and even if Dak is not the answer at QB - and I don't think he is - that doesn't somehow mean he plays poorly every game. The fact Cooper had a lot of yardage after the catch does not somehow mean Dak was horrible essentially the whole game like the OP indicated. Without question he did not play at a "carry the team on his back" level, but he played well. And the reality is it is nonsense to treat those plays as if Dak didn't complete the passes, and as if without the run after the catch the drives would have ended and Dak wouldn't have thrown for additional yards on those possessions. In both cases the plays would have resulted in first downs without the extra yardage and the possession would have continued.

Dak and Cooper did what Cooper was brought in to do. Run precise routes, and get YAC, rather it is a 5 yard pass or a 50 yard pass.
But yet many still do not want to give Dak credit.
That will never change for some.

I am still not sold on Dak, but as I said all year, I will give him this year to prove it. He is playing better, and those that can't or won't admit it are just haters. But then again they hate just about everything this team does.

I am sure during game threads, many of us, including myself will complain and whine about Dak or some OL, or even the defense when they give up a big play. But that is an emotion at the time of in game frustration.

But some don't come in here all the time to never give credit when it is deserved. Dak played a very good game, and overall his last 3 games he helped us win. Which is what he is supposed to do.

And he did carry the team on some of his plays and drives. Like his TD scramble, that was a huge difference of a TD vs. a FG.
 
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