Twitter: NFL Agents and Players Colluding - Beating NFL Owners at their Game

[Qcard]

What would a disrespectful little twerp like you know about growing a pair?

I know Landry Fans would never whine like Dak Haters....they Moved ON

Qcard? What would a quincy carter fan know anything about being an NFL QB

I knew Quincy Carter was a better QB on drugs than the Dak Hater's eye tests Hutchinson and Henson

 

[big dog cowboy]

With all the comments Dak has been making lately. Makes him look like, himself first, team second.

100% true.

And that's a problem.

 

[Qcard]

Dak Haters ....reading is fundamental...math is factual

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The deal likely isn't centered around annual salary alone. The contract issues probably revolve around guaranteed money and the length of the deal. Dak likely wants a 4-year contract, while Dallas is aiming for a 5 or 6-year agreement. Personally, I side with the Joneses. I wouldn't reset the market for a QB who hasn't proven he can elevate his team in playoff games. If it were up to me, I'd consider blowing it up and starting over or trading Micah next year for two first-round picks to draft a new quarterback.

Really, when was the last time Jerry drafted a QB in the first round? What guarantees that they will make a good choice? The lucked into Romo and Dak. The joneses believe they can are smarter than every other team and can find a franchise QB from the UDFA pool. Thats what they count on.

Dak is the best bet for this team, no matter what everyone says.

 

[MarcusRock]

And the players and their agents scream when the NFL does it but apparently it's ok when they do it. Sounds like a lot of the world now days.

Back in the day owners kept the lion's share of the money and the players played for peanuts. Now that the players are merely getting their fair share, fans don't like it because of the amount of dollars going to them.

 

[DAL1180]

Back in the day owners kept the lion's share of the money and the players played for peanuts. Now that the players are merely getting their fair share, fans don't like it because of the amount of dollars going to them.

And you are avoiding what I said. The great NFLPA screams collusion every 5 minutes when every single player doesn't get 50 million a year. But when players and agents collude it is suddenly all right. And since the owners bear the brunt of the costs of the day to day business of the league they should make the majority of the money. And no I'm no millionaire but when the players get their contracts then mail it in afterwards, it is the owners who are the ones paying for facilities, staff and benefits whether the team wins or not. And if you take away all the current players and bring in 53 x 32 more players there will be stars , mid range guys and Jags just like there are now. Now I agree that it is two groups of millionaires fighting but everyone can't be the highest paid player in the league.

 

[rags747]

So Dak is worth more than any other QB in the league right now?! Make it make sense!

 

[BigWillie]

What a noble fight Dak is waging.

 

[Flamma]

The CBA allows players no longer under contract to sign for any amount they want or can get. Players under contract can ask for more, if they hold out there are consequences indicated in the CBA. That is not collusion.

I'll try to explain it better. A rookie QB will not accept under market value by the team that drafted them. This is every one of them without fail. But they will accept under market value from another team. If the Browns offered to pay Mayfield 30M a year, he would refuse. Had the Jets offered Sam Darnold the same, he would also have refused. No team can say, this QB isn't worth market value, but we'll keep him at a lower rate until we find a better one. They won't accept the lower rate. But they will from another team. This cannot be coincidence if every single QB does this.

Jordon Love was a special case. You can't demand market value when you haven't done anything.

 

[KingCorcoran]

the collusion is between agents

United States Labor Laws protect formally organized labor, and their recognized agents. It is not collusion. If the NFLPA and their certified agents ever violated U.S. Labor Laws the NFL owners would have them in front of a labor board and sue for damages and penalty. Not only can players and their certified agents act in concert, they have the right to not play at all.

 

[Chasing6]

Plus they will back load the contract.

 

[Qcard]

Back in the day owners kept the lion's share of the money and the players played for peanuts. Now that the players are merely getting their fair share, fans don't like it because of the amount of dollars going to them.

Fans complaining about how much any American is willing pay another American is SO UNAmerican.....

 

[conner01]

I agree with all the above. But the Cowboys have shown they won’t be players in free agency. So them making up 50 percent of the cap doesn’t bother me because if it’s not them it will just be someone else already on the team and no one is more important than Dak, Lamb and Micah.

Jerry’s opinion on FA came from one big failure. And it’s time to get over that to me. FA is a risk and it doesn’t workout all the time or maybe even most of the time. Just like the draft, the key is signing guys that love the game, have pride in their work on Sundays. It’s really just like the draft except you know more about the player and they cost a whole lot more lol

 

[MarcusRock]

And you are avoiding what I said. The great NFLPA screams collusion every 5 minutes when every single player doesn't get 50 million a year. But when players and agents collude it is suddenly all right. And since the owners bear the brunt of the costs of the day to day business of the league they should make the majority of the money. And no I'm no millionaire but when the players get their contracts then mail it in afterwards, it is the owners who are the ones paying for facilities, staff and benefits whether the team wins or not. And if you take away all the current players and bring in 53 x 32 more players there will be stars , mid range guys and Jags just like there are now. Now I agree that it is two groups of millionaires fighting but everyone can't be the highest paid player in the league.

Post #90 here explains it perfectly but the short of it is that banding together to ASK for more than market rate is not collusion. Banding together to pay less than market rate IS collusion. You are not in control of the market when you ask for a pay rate, you are in control when you are the ones giving out the jobs. Do you see the difference?

And owners do make the majority of the money. 51/49% or something like that. If players decided they'd all go on strike, would fans, networks, and sponsors pay to watch owners suit up and play? Follow the money. The stars of the show damn well should be making at least half the money in the pot.

It's funny to watch Americans preach then begrudge fairness when someone else benefits against their likings. Then THAT becomes unfair somehow. Lol.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Zeke and Le'Veon Bell said the same thing years ago.

I mean there was a whole thing with RBs - Ekeler, Pollard, Saquon - getting together themselves just last offseason.

The NFLPA wants players to continue to raise salaries or they will stagnate, in the same way that the NFL wants TV providers to continue to pay more. It's the same in every professional sport.

 

[blueblood70]

hey bob CD aint taking 30 so great math flex but if you add in all the other stars that are already paid here like Martin and diggs and tank to name a few we do have a handful of team players taking up about 70% of the cap I think that was his point just because he didn't have the exact math doesn't mean he wasn't on the something he's having to pay five or six players 70% of the cap and then have to fill in the rest he's not really that off base on what he's trying to make a point everyone wants to dismantle his point by being real factual and then you leave out the fact there's no way lambs taking 30 million this price is gonna be 35 and up so adding five more million for him.LOL

add in Dak, diggs, STeele, Martin, CD, Parsons, lamb and Tanks money as it might be in 2024-2025 look just because Jerry said something off the top of his head and wasn't completely accurate he is stating facts when these guys are now coming to the table not wanting to be the highest paid at their position like top five like diggs took now they wanna be the highest paid non quarterback in the league it is getting harder to figure it out and it takes longer to get these deals done.. FACT.

 

[Qcard]

hey bob CD aint taking 30 so great math flex but if you add in all the other stars that are already paid here like Martin and diggs and tank to name a few we do have a handful of team players taking up about 70% of the cap I think that was his point just because he didn't have the exact math doesn't mean he wasn't on the something he's having to pay five or six players 70% of the cap and then have to fill in the rest he's not really that off base on what he's trying to make a point everyone wants to dismantle his point by being real factual and then you leave out the fact there's no way lambs taking 30 million this price is gonna be 35 and up so adding five more million for him.LOL

add in Dak, diggs, STeele, Martin, CD, Parsons, lamb and Tanks money as it might be in 2024-2025 look just because Jerry said something off the top of his head and wasn't completely accurate he is stating facts when these guys are now coming to the table not wanting to be the highest paid at their position like top five like diggs took now they wanna be the highest paid non quarterback in the league it is getting harder to figure it out and it takes longer to get these deals done.. FACT.

So the Defense couldn't stop Packers because Dak, CeeDee, Tank, Zack, Tyron, Ferguson, Parsons, Diggs and etc took up 70% of the Cap in 2023 season???

Dak Haters are weirdos

 

[blueblood70]

So the Defense couldn't stop Packers because Dak, CeeDee, Tank, Zack, Tyron, Ferguson, Parsons, Diggs and etc took up 70% of the Cap in 2023 season???

Dak Haters are weirdos

literally you reading things however you want to read them that is not what I meant, that's not what I said ,you made-up your own conclusions,

I'm saying that they literally are saying the contracts are getting harder to do and that they take time and they're telling you all to stop being so impatient they'll get done when they get done or they won't I mean you tell me why that tyreke Hill got traded along with their top corner from the Kansas City Chiefs and why it took them all the way up until the week before the year started to get Chris Jones sign this is what we're talking about contracts are no longer being a super quick negotiation, especially, when there's a team full of young players that are all due up in the same time frame or close to it he's saying it's difficult because so many of them are making that type of money all at the same time on the same team other teams are not all experiencing this at the same time it comes in cycles and right now they hit this snag with Prescott lamb and Parsons where they just paid Diggs re up Martin they paid other players as well and that they're trying to get these deals done but fans are impatient ************* that's just what it's all about y'all need to calm down and let these things happen Parsons and lambs can't go anywhere if they don't want them to there's transition tags franchise tags there's a way to make these guys miserable because they can keep holding out and they're going to lose millions of dollars per game they're going to have fines in excess of $1 million he's saying come the flip down and that's what I'm saying he's right lots of these dudes are making a lot of money and the more money they want they have to be more cautious on the details on these contracts so they take longer that's it that's what he meant...

Not a single person said that and if you no me what you obviously don't I don't say anything that's anti DAK around here so you might want to take that nonsense somewhere else because you're not talking to me you're talking at me and if you knew me you would never be able to talk over me I will shut you down in a heartbeat just like now Mike drop you didn't get what I meant and I'm sorry you tried to make up a story that doesn't even make sense because I'm a Prescott supporter now go somewhere and eat lunch I think you're getting woozy...

 

[DAL1180]

Post #90 here explains it perfectly but the short of it is that banding together to ASK for more than market rate is not collusion. Banding together to pay less than market rate IS collusion. You are not in control of the market when you ask for a pay rate, you are in control when you are the ones giving out the jobs. Do you see the difference?

And owners do make the majority of the money. 51/49% or something like that. If players decided they'd all go on strike, would fans, networks, and sponsors pay to watch owners suit up and play? Follow the money. The stars of the show damn well should be making at least half the money in the pot.

It's funny to watch Americans preach then begrudge fairness when someone else benefits against their likings. Then THAT becomes unfair somehow. No but people would watch the next 32 x 53 players play. And don't think they wouldn't. Because people love the sport. And not every player can be the highest paid player. That's the problem.

 

[MarcusRock]

@DAL1180 now who's avoiding what one said? Your initial point was collusion. Do you see the difference in what I mentioned on askers and payers or not?

And in my scenario, what if all players decided not to play in solidarity to what they believe is some unfair thing? Then what? Even if not, what was the result of replacement players back in the day? Was it successful or not?

Stop trying to deny players their rightful share just because you don't like the amount they're getting. If YOU want more, lace 'em up. Then you can get more. Lol.