NFL Cap Hit in Void Years - Cowboys 16

[mcmvp]

Yeah, there was an article about it recently. I just did a google and found this which says he’s 5th richest. But everyone agrees he’s worth about 16.6 billion so the idea he can’t pay the contracts the Eagles have because he’s cash poor is ridiculous. I can’t even believe people are arguing over it. It’s fun as hell though to watch you guys get bent over it as well.

Well first of all… I never once argued that he was unable to pay cash upfront if he wished to. It should really be abundantly clear at this point that he just simply does not wish to do it that way.

No… He’s not the second richest owner in the NFL… I doubt he’s top five despite what you just saw online. Just because the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise, that does not make him the richest owner.

 

[Kwyn]

99% of the people in this thread have no clue how the cap works, what the Cowboys are doing to deal with it, or, obviously, what the Eagles are doing to manage it.

Now, based on this chart, we’ve got Browns and 49ers experts, chiming in because, their “bars on the histogram are bigger”.

I feel like I’m at the worst company meeting ever where a bunch of dummies try to make their ignorance look like expertise.

It’s just frustrating how people on the “hater” or “homer” side just spout absolutely uninformed opinions to justify their …. *decades* … old opinions … to satisfy their beefs going back two or three message boards before the Zone even existed.

Sometimes it’s just straight up embarrassing to be a sports fan.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yeah, there was an article about it recently. I just did a google and found this which says he’s 5th richest. But everyone agrees he’s worth about 16.6 billion so the idea he can’t pay the contracts the Eagles have because he’s cash poor is ridiculous. I can’t even believe people are arguing over it. It’s fun as hell though to watch you guys get bent over it as well.

I don't think anyone is really getting bent over it, I'm just shocked that you don't understand what people are actually arguing, and keep trying to twist it into something its not.

• No one has claimed Jerry Jones to be poor and cant pay contracts. What people such as myself have claimed are that Jerry Jones prefers to not dip into his own assets to pay players. This isnt about being poor. This is a smart business move....just not always the greatest football move.
• Jerry Jones is estimated to be worth somewhere in the $13B to $17B. That's extremely wealthy, probably top 200 people in the world. The issue is that doesnt mean you have the cash available to run an NFL franchise, especially when $10-11B of that is tied up into the valuation of the team. Jerry would have to sell the Cowboys to actually turn that into cash. Now think about the real estate he owns, oil businesses, stock holdings, etc. and that is where Jerry's money is. Its not sitting in a bank somewhere waiting to be wired to the team payroll.
  • The easy example here to show what I mean is Elon Musk purchased Twitter back in 2022. At the time he was worth roughly $160B. He purchased Twitter for $44B. Despite his net worth being roughly 4x what he paid he still had to go get a team of investors to make the purchase happen as he didnt have the cash to do so.
• Jerry shares a similar net worth to Stephen Ross of the Dolphins. Guess what Stephen Ross did about a year ago....sold part of his franchise to raise more cash. Guess what Las Vegas did as well?....sold part of their franchise to raise more cash. Guess what Philly did after going on a spending spree the last couple of years.....sold part of their franchise to raise more cash.
  • Most lists have Jerry around 7th in terms net worth among NFL majority owners....If you go beyond just majority owners and factor in minority owners Jerry wont be as high.
• Very few franchises are ran by single owners anymore...David Tepper was the last person to buy 100% of his team when he purchased Carolina. Tepper also has a higher net worth than Jerry. Others that have been sold since (Denver, Washington) have been purchased by groups. I don't have the exact number, but I would assume that the majority of NFL franchises are not 100% controlled by one person as the Cowboys are. The reason being is that even your typical modern day billionaire does not have the cash on hand to bankroll an NFL franchise 365 days per year, especially given the strict borrowing limits the league puts on the franchises.

 

[Jarv]

No, 17 billion.

Lol....I see finance is not your strength.

 

[Qcard]

Philthy not breaking any rules so why isn’t everyone doing this?

Another Dak Hater Myth goes crawling back into it's abyss....look at ALL those team friendly deals by the Eagles to have a Championship Team

 

[thunderpimp91]

Another Dak Hater Myth goes crawling back into it's abyss....look at ALL those team friendly deals by the Eagles to have a Championship Team

You gotta explain this one to me like I’m 5 years old. What does Dak have to do with this?

 

[Fmart322]

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the higher on the list the more teams have spent towards the salary cap?
So the eagles owe the most money towards players, correct?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yeah, there was an article about it recently. I just did a google and found this which says he’s 5th richest. But everyone agrees he’s worth about 16.6 billion so the idea he can’t pay the contracts the Eagles have because he’s cash poor is ridiculous. I can’t even believe people are arguing over it. It’s fun as hell though to watch you guys get bent over it as well.

Worth does not equal money on hand. Jerry is not a stupid billionaire, he has that money tied up in investments just like all the others. When he has to pay a player, he has to liquidate those investments

It’s not about not finding the money, it’s about whether or not he wants to do that. Evidently he’s want to do it 16th most of any ownership group

 

[Creeper]

Ur painting of Philly's "2 superbowls" and then this desert of down years in between isn't accurate

Between their 2 Superbowls, they also went to a 3rd superbowl that they barely lost to the Refs errrrr I mean Chiefs. And then had another year where they started off 10-0 before falling apart.

They're kind of staying in legit SB contention all the dam time now. They're the favorites again this year.

I think what we can learn from them is that their GM us ALWAYS trying trying trying. Any little advantage he'll chase after. He'll sleep at the office and work a month straight on his team's strategy for the 7th round of the draft. EVERYTHING is an opportunity to him. He'll try anything...and often...keep the successes and quickly admit fault and cut the mistakes. No coasting. Even now, as he's recognized as the best GM in all sports with free reign from his owner, he's still fighting for every scrap of advantage can get.

We just can't touch that. Not with the buffoon we have running our clown show. It's like Bill Gates vs Piggly Wiggly.

Agree but they did have that 4-11-1 season in there too.

But also, they didn't start pushing so much money into voidable years until more recently. It is as if the Eagles saw a window of opportunity and decided to go all in, in the absolute sense, to exploit the opportunity they saw. Time will tell what happens next but at this point it is hard to imagine that 2029 and 2030 will not be a struggle for them.

 

[Flamma]

Yeah, there was an article about it recently. I just did a google and found this which says he’s 5th richest. But everyone agrees he’s worth about 16.6 billion so the idea he can’t pay the contracts the Eagles have because he’s cash poor is ridiculous. I can’t even believe people are arguing over it. It’s fun as hell though to watch you guys get bent over it as well.

Of course he has the money to pay any contract. I'm not sure people are disputing that. They are disputing his willingness to do so in a timely manner. Because he has to actually take action. Think of this. He's looking at paying Dak, Lamb, and Parsons. Dak and Lamb got 331M guaranteed combined. Parsons, if it's anything like Garrett, will be another 123M. That's coming up with 454M in a short period of time to set aside. He probably doesn't have that just sitting in an account. Most of his worth is in assets. The Eagles owner is probably more willing to open up money quicker. But we really don't know. Just as long as he eventually gets it done, that's all I care about.

 

[Creeper]

I think you're overcomplicating it a bit. The more cap hits you push into future years the more cap space you have now. The advantage of more cap space now means you can shop for more players now. That means more cash to be spent on the front end.

The actual contract structure from bonus vs salary money doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of what the team is going to have to pay up front. The team almost always pays the bulk of these contracts up front as they have to put all the guaranteed money into a separate escrow account. The only time the team is paying anything more is once a player gets past their guaranteed money period (which typically means either renegotiations or player gets cut) or if they hit a guaranteed escalator in their contract. The signing bonus money in a players contract is really just a matter of when the money gets distributed to the player, Teams have already paid that signing bonus + more to the escrow account.

This is all true, even for the Eagles who also guarantee money to their players. The point I was making is the Eagle deliberately push money into voidable years. It has nothing to do with up-front money. But it is why they have no player with a CAP hit of over $22 million in 2025.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Agree but they did have that 4-11-1 season in there too.

But also, they didn't start pushing so much money into voidable years until more recently. It is as if the Eagles saw a window of opportunity and decided to go all in, in the absolute sense, to exploit the opportunity they saw. Time will tell what happens next but at this point it is hard to imagine that 2029 and 2030 will not be a struggle for them.

They recognize that the cap is just ballooning. People said the same thing 7 years ago...they're going to be in trouble 5 years from now! The problem is, this LARGE dead money amount we see for them now lurking down the road in 4 or 5 years, will seem like peanuts when we actually get to 2030.... just like the dollars discussed in 2017 seem like peanuts to us now in 2025.

The only real question is whether the league will outlaw what they're doing. Sounds like there's a chance the lazy, cheap owners will get that passed.

 

[thunderpimp91]

This is all true, even for the Eagles who also guarantee money to their players. The point I was making is the Eagle deliberately push money into voidable years. It has nothing to do with up-front money. But it is why they have no player with a CAP hit of over $22 million in 2025.

Yeah I hear you, we are talking about slightly different things. The only thing I would somewhat disagree with you on is that as you push money into voidable years it does typically trigger bonus money to be paid out immediately to the player. Typically that money has technically already been paid by the team into the escrow account though so its not a huge factor though.

 

[Rockport]

I don't think anyone is really getting bent over it, I'm just shocked that you don't understand what people are actually arguing, and keep trying to twist it into something its not.

• No one has claimed Jerry Jones to be poor and cant pay contracts. What people such as myself have claimed are that Jerry Jones prefers to not dip into his own assets to pay players. This isnt about being poor. This is a smart business move....just not always the greatest football move.
• Jerry Jones is estimated to be worth somewhere in the $13B to $17B. That's extremely wealthy, probably top 200 people in the world. The issue is that doesnt mean you have the cash available to run an NFL franchise, especially when $10-11B of that is tied up into the valuation of the team. Jerry would have to sell the Cowboys to actually turn that into cash. Now think about the real estate he owns, oil businesses, stock holdings, etc. and that is where Jerry's money is. Its not sitting in a bank somewhere waiting to be wired to the team payroll.
  • The easy example here to show what I mean is Elon Musk purchased Twitter back in 2022. At the time he was worth roughly $160B. He purchased Twitter for $44B. Despite his net worth being roughly 4x what he paid he still had to go get a team of investors to make the purchase happen as he didnt have the cash to do so.
• Jerry shares a similar net worth to Stephen Ross of the Dolphins. Guess what Stephen Ross did about a year ago....sold part of his franchise to raise more cash. Guess what Las Vegas did as well?....sold part of their franchise to raise more cash. Guess what Philly did after going on a spending spree the last couple of years.....sold part of their franchise to raise more cash.
  • Most lists have Jerry around 7th in terms net worth among NFL majority owners....If you go beyond just majority owners and factor in minority owners Jerry wont be as high.
• Very few franchises are ran by single owners anymore...David Tepper was the last person to buy 100% of his team when he purchased Carolina. Tepper also has a higher net worth than Jerry. Others that have been sold since (Denver, Washington) have been purchased by groups. I don't have the exact number, but I would assume that the majority of NFL franchises are not 100% controlled by one person as the Cowboys are. The reason being is that even your typical modern day billionaire does not have the cash on hand to bankroll an NFL franchise 365 days per year, especially given the strict borrowing limits the league puts on the franchises.

Stopped reading after that because THAT’s exactly what people are doing in this thread and then hiding and changing their stance once I show how ridiculous that is. I do love to see ya’ll squirm out of putting you foot in your mouths.

 

[Rockport]

Worth does not equal money on hand. Jerry is not a stupid billionaire, he has that money tied up in investments just like all the others. When he has to pay a player, he has to liquidate those investments

It’s not about not finding the money, it’s about whether or not he wants to do that. Evidently he’s want to do it 16th most of any ownership group

Another one squirming. Jerry can fart 100 mil in cash at the drop of a bean.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Stopped reading after that because THAT’s exactly what people are doing in this thread and then hiding and changing their stance once I show how ridiculous that is. I do love to see ya’ll squirm out of putting you foot in your mouths.

You stopped reading because you know you're wrong and can't humble yourself to have an actual conversation. Instead you live in the world where everyone else are just "haters" for calling out the obvious.

Please....PLEASE show me where someone has called Jerry poor and cant pay players contracts.

 

[Rockport]

Of course he has the money to pay any contract. I'm not sure people are disputing that. They are disputing his willingness to do so in a timely manner. Because he has to actually take action. Think of this. He's looking at paying Dak, Lamb, and Parsons. Dak and Lamb got 331M guaranteed combined. Parsons, if it's anything like Garrett, will be another 123M. That's coming up with 454M in a short period of time to set aside. He probably doesn't have that just sitting in an account. Most of his worth is in assets. The Eagles owner is probably more willing to open up money quicker. But we really don't know. Just as long as he eventually gets it done, that's all I care about.

Start the thread over. They all started out saying Jerry’s cash poor and can’t pay the cash bonuses. When I outted them for being so naive as to think that, y’all start squirming out of it and changing the narrative.

My point, and I’ll say it again, is that Jerry can pay any amount of money that any other teams have paid their players and more.

It’s interesting to see the same people who crap on Jerry all the time now defending him. What’s that all about? I have my thoughts.

 

[Rockport]

You stopped reading because you know you're wrong and can't humble yourself to have an actual conversation. Instead you live in the world where everyone else are just "haters" for calling out the obvious.

Please....PLEASE show me where someone has called Jerry poor and cant pay players contracts.

No I stopped reading because it was an outright lie and I don’t deal with those types.

 

[thunderpimp91]

No I stopped reading because it was an outright lie and I don’t deal with those types.

1) not a lie
2) PLEASE show me where someone has called Jerry poor and cant pay his players as you claim.

 

[Rockport]

1) not a lie
2) PLEASE show me where someone has called Jerry poor and cant pay his players as you claim.

Read the thread. It’s all over the place.