NFL.com - DeMarcus Ware not open to paycut, 50% chance he's cut

lane

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thanks for the memories ware...

you were a great one..

but if you are not open for a hefty pay cut...you are bordering on dangerous ground with my memories of you.

i always said that you and witten not getting a ring would be a disgrace to what you have contributed to this franchise..

he could take a pay cut and with a strong draft...we might just get that ring next year..
 

reddyuta

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Ware should take a pay cut and my gut feeling is he really doesnt want to play anywhere else.
 

BAZ

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If Ware goes thats quite the turn over on the dline over the last two years.
 

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well since his 20 sack season he's had 14, 11.5 and 8 so he should be on pace for 5 and then 2 the next 2 years, so let's give him another 50 mil and lock him up long term!

correction 11.5 and 6 the last 2 years. not a great trend.
 

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If Ware refuses to accept any paycut then the team has to prepare to cut him.
If a signable WDE presents itself in free agency or the draft then that becomes a real possibility.

But make no mistake Ware isn't some money-grubber nor is he some bum.
He gave us deep discounts in the past with contract negotiations.

He has adopted children and a fresh divorce effecting his financial state.
He has also been widely charitable.
He is by all accounts a very good person.
It is absolutely not his fault Dallas overpaid bums.
Ware is a first year eligible Hall of Fame player.
Seeing him get peed on here because of ONE YEAR of single digit sacks is just a reminder how pathetic fans are.
Hopefully he sees taking a pay cut as a smart football move and takes a minor pay cut that allows him to play out 2 more years in Dallas.

Ware does not need to take a massive pay cut.
Because of how the cap works he'd cost us more to cut him now than to restructure him.
At a time when we need both DL bodies and every Cap dollar he has leverage as well as we do.
But he does need to take some pay cut. He can get a decent guarantee in FA if cut but he isn't getting 26 mil the next two years much less get that guaranteed.
 

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yeh defense doesn't win championships anymore....oh wait

Well, if he were worth 16 million against the cap, then fine. But given his injuries and decline in performance the last year and a half, can you take the risk? He could still be a great player, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and takes up way too much of the cap.
 

lane

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Well, if he were worth 16 million against the cap, then fine. But given his injuries and decline in performance the last year and a half, can you take the risk? He could still be a great player, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and takes up way too much of the cap.

it was stupid to think he could be a de in a 4-3 at his age with all the wear and tear on his body..

he could be a great 3rd down pass rusher for the next two years with a hefty pay cut.

he is nowhere near worth the money he is going to get if we keep him.

he's an old lion.

age catches up with everybody.
 

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If true- very sad.
How much money does someone need to make to be happy?

What about the rest of humanity that doesn't sniff what a guy like him makes?
Does he donate a vast portion of his income to help others in need and he wants to keep that up?
If he does- admirable and I take back my feelings.

If it's to maintain his luxurious lifestyle in this day and age of rampant poverty and the death of the middle class- those who help make his paychecks happen...
Sad.

None that is relevant. When someone has a special skill set that is in high demand they get paid accordingly.
 

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yeh defense doesn't win championships anymore....oh wait

Yeah..

But you can't pay him that kind of money while we are missing so many pieces other than him.

For what he's being paid..we could upgrade 3-4 other positions.

Waving goodbye, DeMarcus Ware.
 

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None that is relevant. When someone has a special skill set that is in high demand they get paid accordingly.

I know how the world goes in a non-communist nation.

And you're right- to him it may not be relevant.
To you it may not be relevant.

I'm merely stating my feelings on the matter.
The guy has made a ton. Enough for him and several of his future generations to live off of nicely, if they're smart.

There are so many that are hurting just to put food on the table on a weekly basis for their families.
It appears shallow to refuse a paycut of such an extravagant amount.
He could easily be a bigger man and not hurt for money.
Easily.

I do agree with your premise though.
That's pure Capitalism.
 

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I believe that was for a restructure. Not a pay cut. I could be wrong though.


That's correct.

Demarcus Ware made it clear that he was willing to restructure, meaning lowering his 2014 cap hit while getting paid the same amount of money (another signing bonus), but unwilling to take a pay cut.


I don't understand all this salary cap stuff but I would think the Cowboys offer wouldn't be that much lower than if he was on the open market.

Is there a team that is going to offer him some huge contract based on his looming injury issues?


I agree.

Dallas can net just over $7M in cap room by releasing Demarcus Ware.

Ware and his agent know this, they also know what the market was paying out last year.

If the team asks Ware to take a $7M reduction in base salary, it would put him at $5.25M for 2014, which is in the range free agent DE's were signing for last year.

Even with a $7M reduction in base salary this year (down to $5.25M) and an $8M reduction next year (down to $5.75M), Ware stands to make a lot more with the Cowboys than he does as a free agent, IMO.

Dallas would save $15M against the salary cap the next two seasons while Ware would still be able to make $11M.

In return for the pay cut, Ware's '14 base salary would become fully guaranteed, assuring that he wouldn't be released.

The '15 base salary wouldn't become fully guaranteed until a certain day in the first week of that league year. The Cowboys would have the option to release Ware before the guarantee took effect if his play in '14 was unsatisfactory.

Still, the chance to make $11M in Big D the next two seasons while keeping his family put seems much more enticing than testing free agency and having to move.

Ware's contract is currently set to void following the '15 season.
 

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I know how the world goes in a non-communist nation.

And you're right- to him it may not be relevant.
To you it may not be relevant.

I'm merely stating my feelings on the matter.
The guy has made a ton. Enough for him and several of his future generations to live off of nicely, if they're smart.

There are so many that are hurting just to put food on the table on a weekly basis for their families.
It appears shallow to refuse a paycut of such an extravagant amount.
He could easily be a bigger man and not hurt for money.
Easily.

I do agree with your premise though.
That's pure Capitalism.

Do not make this political. It is against the rules.
 

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If true, it's unfortunate. Ware's always been one of my favorites. But, you have to cut him. Jerry probably won't, but it'd be the smart business decision. Way too much money invested for that level of production.

Ware has always been my favorite too but now, it has to be about the team. I would really hate him playing on a rival (east) team, but Jerry did cut Troy, he will cut DW if needed.
 

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That's correct.

Demarcus Ware made it clear that he was willing to restructure, meaning lowering his 2014 cap hit while getting paid the same amount of money (another signing bonus), but unwilling to take a pay cut.





I agree.

Dallas can net just over $7M in cap room by releasing Demarcus Ware.

Ware and his agent know this, they also know what the market was paying out last year.

If the team asks Ware to take a $7M reduction in base salary, it would put him at $5.25M for 2014, which is in the range free agent DE's were signing for last year.

Even with a $7M reduction in base salary this year (down to $5.25M) and an $8M reduction next year (down to $5.75M), Ware stands to make a lot more with the Cowboys than he does as a free agent, IMO.

Dallas would save $15M against the salary cap the next two seasons while Ware would still be able to make $11M.

In return for the pay cut, Ware's '14 base salary would become fully guaranteed, assuring that he wouldn't be released.

The '15 base salary wouldn't become fully guaranteed until a certain day in the first week of that league year. The Cowboys would have the option to release Ware before the guarantee took effect if his play in '14 was unsatisfactory.

Still, the chance to make $11M in Big D the next two seasons while keeping his family put seems much more enticing than testing free agency and having to move.

Ware's contract is currently set to void following the '15 season.

Well if he is unwilling to do anything but restructure his contract he is forcing their hand.

I see both sides but I really feel based on all this info I am reading here that he is done as a Cowboy.
 

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I know how the world goes in a non-communist nation.

And you're right- to him it may not be relevant.
To you it may not be relevant.

I'm merely stating my feelings on the matter.
The guy has made a ton. Enough for him and several of his future generations to live off of nicely, if they're smart.

There are so many that are hurting just to put food on the table on a weekly basis for their families.
It appears shallow to refuse a paycut of such an extravagant amount.
He could easily be a bigger man and not hurt for money.
Easily.

I do agree with your premise though.
That's pure Capitalism.

Why dont you take half of your salary and help put food on those peoples tables.
 
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