NFL - Commanders and Eagles ranked as 1 and 2 rookie class this year

[Redsfan_83]

hypocrisy...

Washington is overrated right now a power that's what you're calling them they've lost to our backup roster... I like how you can have one decent season, they've done nothing in the playoffs ,yet they haven't gone to a Super Bowl and yet somehow we're rating this team as a powerhouse lmao , no to me they're no better than the New York Giants were a few years back, when they made the playoffs, you know when Daniel Jones won a playoff game wasn't that something? they're a mirage, they got lucky the Cowboys had like 18+ injuries!! they've always had a good defensive line that doesn't make them a new powerhouse their defense has always been actually really really good and really found ways to slow down the Cowboys, but this year they couldn't shut down the Dallas Cowboys back up roster we sent out almost an entire offense that were backups that beat that defense.

The irony in these posts are you wait till the Cowboys have a down year and then give flowers to teams that are thriving only because the Cowboys were severely injured and hamstrung this year literally and figuratively, were taken out early and often by injuries, and yeah all seasons they matter but they haven't mattered much because three years prior the same stuff happens in the offseason and we won 36 games 2 division titles three straight playoff appearances....must have been a DC POWERHOUSE those 3 years..

I find the irony here the Dallas Cowboys were never called a powerhouse just by simply winning the division and beating up on the division with a healthy team and mainly a healthy Prescott from end to end he's 33 and eight against the NFC East it's insane how many games they won against Washington and New York but none of it counted but they also took two division titles from the eagles none of it counted because they didn't do what make a deep playoff run ..​

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so here we are, is it too early predictions anointing these two teams and before they've done a single thing in the postseason that's where it all will come out in the wash and we will see but in this case I have to laugh at your Washington's becoming a new powerhouse they just got lucky we had a down year... that's why I see it and the same goes for not being competitive against the eagles they saw both our rosters full of backups the first game, we had a few of our starters the second game even less they played two preseason rosters and some other giving credit for regular season wins ,and I call that a joke they're being giving credit for winning an injured NFC East I mean the eagles didn't have to compete against a healthy Cowboys team so they got an easy pass..​

When this stuff happens to the Cowboys they don't get any credit for it because it's only what happens in the playoffs that matter, but hey good job though the Cowboys were severely injured including the rookie class anything that's being said is a bunch of nonsense used to pile on to what is now considered another hate Jerry Jones the GM thread because that's what these are all veiled you guys are just trying to say the same thing 75 different ways and we get it they're upset at the way things went we all are but it's not new news and Washington is not a powerhouse until they prove it multiple years..

What the Cowboys have we've done it over the last decade literally Prescott has owned the east he's owned Washington he's pretty much owned pretty much all the teams in the east and yeah he got no credit for it but you're giving credit to these two teams in this instance for this year before the playoffs start is insane
it's hypocrisy...

Hhypocrisy, or because you cannot be an objective fan? Are you blaming the injuries and luck on this season? Did you not see this coming after the disaster vs Green Bay? Since your QB went down we are a better team...since Zach we are a better team. Washington got lucky, and took advantage of what has fallen in their lap. Whilte WFT found their HC, Owner and franchise QB we signed our aged and broken down QB to an extension, thus handcuffing the ability to build from our young talent. You are correct that Washington hasn't proven anything yet, but to disregard how far they have come is just being a homer pinning yourself on the false hopes of this franchise that doesn't have a pulse. Any thoughts as to what this team has been missing over the last 10 years, and 2 playoff wins? Any idea what position of need would have led us to be called a "powerhouse".......

 

[Hawkeye0202]

What's scary is it appears the Commanders are giving Quinn the key to building the team, esp with excitement this season. They have $100M + in cap space in 2025. I expect him to be aggressive in free agency.....
** Cheap Pro Bowl rookie
** Wouldn't surprise me to see him go after Higgins and trade for Crosby or Garrett
** He has 4 more years.......NFCCG or Super Bowl buys a new contract extension
** BTW...some are saying if we pass on Jeanty, no way he get past the Commanders

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Washington has played a last place scedule. We will see about them next year.

You know the difference between a 1stn0lace and last place schedule is only 3 games (since we went to 17 games) and that's based on previous years record. The other 14 games is exactly the same for all teams in the division

 

[mcmvp]

Now I clearly stated what I wanted to say and that's how I feel about it nothing you say will change that.... Cowboys did have a rookie of the year quarterback matter of fact he was second MVP voting and the second team all pro and LED the league in scoring last year so maybe you ought to understand the difference between an anomaly giving all these flowers to a team that hasn't done nothing in the playoffs yet in a team that has a quarterback that's already been doing that I thought that it didn't count unless you went to the past second round getting to the championship games blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda and here we are go away I always will say what I say and you're not backing me off it it's too soon to be crowning the Washington team just because they found a decent quarterback who by the way couldn't beat the Dallas cowboy backups in game one at home when they were all hyped up to beat us Dan Quinn and all the ex Cowboys by the way isn't that ironic they're playing with our old coach about four to five of our old players I mean yeah that's a powerhouse they basically pillaged the Dallas Cowboys GM who can't do these things according to you no he's been doing them but we were ravaged by injuries I'd like to see Dan Quinn and this team in Washington win without their quarterback in about 17 other injuries across the board that they've had to deal with with the Cowboys let me see if they win then let me see if we call them the house then we have not slipped there is no gap until there is you let me see Prescott play from game one to game 17 with a relatively healthy team and then tell me where Washington is and how everyone's stacking up in the east when they have to play a healthy Cowboys team I said it I said it again,

it's too soon.......

An improvement - 7 periods used in your post. Next step is to incorporate them at the end of sentences, and not just all of them at the end. Baby steps

 

[Sydla]

LOL, the one thing the fan boys around here could always argue was that while Jerry has his flaws, the Cowboys tended to outdraft Philly.

No longer the case when you look at the last couple of drafts. So for those still keeping score at home Philly manages the cap better, is more aggressive in player personnel, uses FA better, is better at trades and now drafts as well if not better.

We are a dying franchise possibly staring at a Cleveland Browns type era with Jerry passing the torch to Stephen, who might be a bigger idiot than his dad.

 

[Sydla]

Now I clearly stated what I wanted to say and that's how I feel about it nothing you say will change that.... Cowboys did have a rookie of the year quarterback matter of fact he was second MVP voting and the second team all pro and LED the league in scoring last year so maybe you ought to understand the difference between an anomaly giving all these flowers to a team that hasn't done nothing in the playoffs yet in a team that has a quarterback that's already been doing that I thought that it didn't count unless you went to the past second round getting to the championship games blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda and here we are go away I always will say what I say and you're not backing me off it it's too soon to be crowning the Washington team just because they found a decent quarterback who by the way couldn't beat the Dallas cowboy backups in game one at home when they were all hyped up to beat us Dan Quinn and all the ex Cowboys by the way isn't that ironic they're playing with our old coach about four to five of our old players I mean yeah that's a powerhouse they basically pillaged the Dallas Cowboys GM who can't do these things according to you no he's been doing them but we were ravaged by injuries I'd like to see Dan Quinn and this team in Washington win without their quarterback in about 17 other injuries across the board that they've had to deal with with the Cowboys let me see if they win then let me see if we call them the house then we have not slipped there is no gap until there is you let me see Prescott play from game one to game 17 with a relatively healthy team and then tell me where Washington is and how everyone's stacking up in the east when they have to play a healthy Cowboys team I said it I said it again,

it's too soon.......

You are a blind homer.

Throw out the Giants because they are a hot mess. Right now, the Cowboys have a worse projection over the next few years than both Philly and Washington. The Commanders getting competent ownership and a quality front office in place to go with the fact they have a young and exciting QB to try to build around puts them above us for sure. Philly basically does everything better than us at this point.

We are a franchise run by two morons who have strung together a couple of mediocre draft classes, ignore FA and have tied up a ton of cap space in an aging, now oft injured QB who was not even great, just merely "good". If you had to bet your life on which of the three franchises would have the most success over the next 3 years, you'd be a stone cold idiot to pick Dallas over Philly or Washington at this point.

 

[OGSixshooter]

"We like our guys"

 

[InPhiltraitor]

You know the difference between a 1stn0lace and last place schedule is only 3 games (since we went to 17 games) and that's based on previous years record. The other 14 games is exactly the same for all teams in the division

A very simple, but good point that people choose to ignore.

At this point, I believe the 3 unscheduled games for the Cowboys will be the Cardinals (home), New England or the Jets (road), and the Panthers or Saints (road).

I believe the Commanders will have the Seahawks (home), and the Dolphins (road), and most likely the Falcons (road).

So on paper, prior to a draft, pre-season, trades/cuts, and injuries leading up to games, I'd say the potential Commanders schedule would be the tougher of the two. But who really knows? By the time game time rolls around, Penix could be a flop (or the next best thing, maybe), a QB who will be heavily counted on, Tua, could be in recovery from his 5th concussion while pondering retirement, and the Seahawks...well...good but won't be great.

Just saying relying on those 3 games to heavily sway a division is a real crapshoot.

 

[MapleLeaf]

giving credit to these two teams in this instance for this year before the playoffs start is insane
it's hypocrisy...

I do think that these two teams can feel that the regular season has been positive for them. There is no guarantee in the playoffs, and I think the Commanders will suffer in their run defence when they face better o-lines in the tournament.

But we shouldn't consider it hypocritical that these two other teams have done something positive this year. Especially Washington.

 

[Mr_437]

It's a not supposed to. Not something exclusive to the Cowboys either.

True to an extent. Those other teams draft classes are producing already, and Dallas is still waiting. Dallas has had immediate impact draft before too, so just call it what it is...it's not a good draft. If you want to wait to confirm, that's fine.

 

[Creeper]

I think it is way too early to be grading 2024 draft classes.

I won't argue the Eagles have it right. They build both lines constantly and stay strong there year after year. They will always be a tough team to play as long as they are better in those two areas than every one else.

But as I pointed out yesterday in another thread, the Eagles have $418 million parked in voidable years in 16 player contracts. In 2029 they already have $176 million set to hit the CAP all at once. The only way to avoid that CAP hit is to dump those contracts before the players' option bonuses are paid. Guess who those 16 contracts belong to? There best players.

The Eagles have been really good a drafting players they need, but they have also gotten some extra first round draft picks for players they have traded away. But lets look at their last 6 drafts first rounds.

In 2019 the Eagles drafted Andre Dillard after trading up from 25 to 22. Dillard never really played for the Eagles. Bust?

In 2020, the Eagles drafted Jalen Reagor also at 22. The Eagles finished the season 4-11-1.

In 2021, the Eagles had the 6th pick in the draft due to their bad record in 2020. They draft from 6 to 12 and back up to 10. They took DeVonta Smith. The Cowboys actually traded the 10th pick to the Eagles that year and took Micah Parsons.

In 2022, the Eagles picked at #13. They took Jordan Davis. Good player, not great. He was probably taken to replace Fletcher Cox. I believe the Eagles had multiple first round picks in 2022 after trading Carson Wentz to the Colts. They moved up to 13 to take Davis.

In 2023 the Ealges again had multiple first round picks. They had #9 they got from Carolina in a trade. They used it to pick Jalen Carter. They also had 30 and picked Nolan Smith, who has yet to establish himself.

In 2024 the Eagles Quinyon Mitchell at 22 with their only pick.

They've had success but if came compliments of some trades that rendered them multiple first round picks in multiple years. They also had a 4-11-1 season in 2020 giving them a #6 pick in 2021. Getting great value out of their trades has helped them and drafting early has helped them. This is one reason I was rooting for Dallas to tank this last part of the season. Will not get another Micah Parsons, or a Jalen Carter, drafting in the 20s. We need to be up in that top 10-12 are.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

I still can't believe how much the Eagles improved on D. They even started year looking terrible but everything started clicking. Their GM had an incredible off season.

 

[Redsfan_83]

An improvement - 7 periods used in your post. Next step is to incorporate them at the end of sentences, and not just all of them at the end. Baby steps

I forgot that he blocked me a while ago because i said Dak isn't good, so he may not reply to you either lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

A very simple, but good point that people choose to ignore.

At this point, I believe the 3 unscheduled games for the Cowboys will be the Cardinals (home), New England or the Jets (road), and the Panthers or Saints (road).

I believe the Commanders will have the Seahawks (home), and the Dolphins (road), and most likely the Falcons (road).

So on paper, prior to a draft, pre-season, trades/cuts, and injuries leading up to games, I'd say the potential Commanders schedule would be the tougher of the two. But who really knows? By the time game time rolls around, Penix could be a flop (or the next best thing, maybe), a QB who will be heavily counted on, Tua, could be in recovery from his 5th concussion while pondering retirement, and the Seahawks...well...good but won't be great.

Just saying relying on those 3 games to heavily sway a division is a real crapshoot.

Finally. Somebody who gets it.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I think it is way too early to be grading 2024 draft classes.

I won't argue the Eagles have it right. They build both lines constantly and stay strong there year after year. They will always be a tough team to play as long as they are better in those two areas than every one else.

But as I pointed out yesterday in another thread, the Eagles have $418 million parked in voidable years in 16 player contracts. In 2029 they already have $176 million set to hit the CAP all at once. The only way to avoid that CAP hit is to dump those contracts before the players' option bonuses are paid. Guess who those 16 contracts belong to? There best players.

The Eagles have been really good a drafting players they need, but they have also gotten some extra first round draft picks for players they have traded away. But lets look at their last 6 drafts first rounds.

In 2019 the Eagles drafted Andre Dillard after trading up from 25 to 22. Dillard never really played for the Eagles. Bust?

In 2020, the Eagles drafted Jalen Reagor also at 22. The Eagles finished the season 4-11-1.

In 2021, the Eagles had the 6th pick in the draft due to their bad record in 2020. They draft from 6 to 12 and back up to 10. They took DeVonta Smith. The Cowboys actually traded the 10th pick to the Eagles that year and took Micah Parsons.

In 2022, the Eagles picked at #13. They took Jordan Davis. Good player, not great. He was probably taken to replace Fletcher Cox. I believe the Eagles had multiple first round picks in 2022 after trading Carson Wentz to the Colts. They moved up to 13 to take Davis.

In 2023 the Ealges again had multiple first round picks. They had #9 they got from Carolina in a trade. They used it to pick Jalen Carter. They also had 30 and picked Nolan Smith, who has yet to establish himself.

In 2024 the Eagles Quinyon Mitchell at 22 with their only pick.

They've had success but if came compliments of some trades that rendered them multiple first round picks in multiple years. They also had a 4-11-1 season in 2020 giving them a #6 pick in 2021. Getting great value out of their trades has helped them and drafting early has helped them. This is one reason I was rooting for Dallas to tank this last part of the season. Will not get another Micah Parsons, or a Jalen Carter, drafting in the 20s. We need to be up in that top 10-12 are.

I like comparing our picks to our rivals. I do so by watching films and other people's film studies.

I also think the second round is more indicative of how well a team drafts.

First Round:
2019-Dillard busted for the Eagles, but is still in the league on the Packers roster. Injuries have derailed him. But at least he's going to the playoffs.
2020-Biggest miss (Jefferson was there). Reagor I believe in on the Chargers and active, going to the playoffs (even if he does suck).
2021-DeVonta Smith is damn good. Wish we had him to pair with Cee Dee.
2022-Jordan Davis. Good player, still learning and getting better. Eagles run D is better when he in on the field every year he has played.
2023-Jalen Carter. There isn't a poster on this board that wouldn't want him. I would trade our starting D line for him and rebuild the line around him.
2023-Nolan Smith has come on the second half of the season. Good pick.
2024-Quinyon Mitchell. People are already calling him one of the best corners in the league.

Now, the second round...since 2018, the Eagles have picked Dallas Goedart (top 10 TE), JJ Arcega-Whiteside (total bust), Miles Sanders (good player for them), Jalen Hurts (hit), Landon Dickerson (hit), Cam Jurgens (hit), Cooper DeJean (looks like a hit).

Six of the last eight first round picks are starting. Five of the last seven second round picks are starting. Not bad at all.

Now, our last eight first round picks in comparison: Zeke, Taco, LVE, Cee Dee, Micah, Tyler Smith, Mazi Smith, Guyton. Home runs with Cee Dee, Micah, Tyler Smith (I'm assuming they will continue with their current levels of production). Zeke was great but flamed out after four seasons. Mazi looks like a JAG. Sadly, injuries took down LVE. Taco was horrible. Guyton needs work.

Our last eight second round picks: Awuzie, Connor Williams, Conner McGovern, Hill, Diggs, Joseph, Williams, Schoon, Kneeland. The first four names aren't even on the team anymore but still in the league, mostly JAGS. Neither is Joseph. Kneeland looks like a great player in progress--and also like the next Sean Lee (not his fault). Diggs was a hit. I think Williams will be quite good. Schoon, I fear, is headed to JAG land. Only three of those players are on the field, four if you count Kneeland. The only sure-fire hit from our recent second rounds is Diggs, and I believe Sam will be too.

It doesn't matter how a team gets its picks. There are plenty of teams that have squandered such draft capital. The Eagles usually don't, and when they do, they try their best to fix the mistake.

 

[Kolemmitt]

I think our lack of recent draft success comes from the Jones' cheapness. Instead of just picking BPA, we have been looking to the draft to fill holes instead of free agency. That leads to reaching and missing out on young studs. If you look at the 2024 draft, if we didn't HAVE to have a LT of the future, we could have picked one of the young stud receivers that were picked just after Guyton and we would be feeling a lot better about that position now, instead of feeling uneasy about both LT and WR.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I guess DQ can pick DTs when he has different GMs. Washington is quickly becoming an NFC East power again with Dan Snyder gone. Eagles constantly doing great things in the offseason. They just continue to reload. Hard to see our Boys keeping up. At least the NY Giants still stink.
#3 is the Rams, and #5 is the Packers. Hey, why aren't they bogged down by the contracts for their best players, just like our Cowboys?

https://www.nfl.com/news/ranking-th...2024-nfl-season-commanders-eagles-struck-gold

Seems like they are hyping those classes up unless it’s a weak year for the rookie class. Commanders I get for Allen and Dejean and Mitchell do look good. But these drafts seem to be dependent on one or two players.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I like comparing our picks to our rivals. I do so by watching films and other people's film studies.

I also think the second round is more indicative of how well a team drafts.

First Round:
2019-Dillard busted for the Eagles, but is still in the league on the Packers roster. Injuries have derailed him. But at least he's going to the playoffs.
2020-Biggest miss (Jefferson was there). Reagor I believe in on the Chargers and active, going to the playoffs (even if he does suck).
2021-DeVonta Smith is damn good. Wish we had him to pair with Cee Dee.
2022-Jordan Davis. Good player, still learning and getting better. Eagles run D is better when he in on the field every year he has played.
2023-Jalen Carter. There isn't a poster on this board that wouldn't want him. I would trade our starting D line for him and rebuild the line around him.
2023-Nolan Smith has come on the second half of the season. Good pick.
2024-Quinyon Mitchell. People are already calling him one of the best corners in the league.

Now, the second round...since 2018, the Eagles have picked Dallas Goedart (top 10 TE), JJ Arcega-Whiteside (total bust), Miles Sanders (good player for them), Jalen Hurts (hit), Landon Dickerson (hit), Cam Jurgens (hit), Cooper DeJean (looks like a hit).

Six of the last eight first round picks are starting. Five of the last seven second round picks are starting. Not bad at all.

Now, our last eight first round picks in comparison: Zeke, Taco, LVE, Cee Dee, Micah, Tyler Smith, Mazi Smith, Guyton. Home runs with Cee Dee, Micah, Tyler Smith (I'm assuming they will continue with their current levels of production). Zeke was great but flamed out after four seasons. Mazi looks like a JAG. Sadly, injuries took down LVE. Taco was horrible. Guyton needs work.

Our last eight second round picks: Awuzie, Connor Williams, Conner McGovern, Hill, Diggs, Joseph, Williams, Schoon, Kneeland. The first four names aren't even on the team anymore but still in the league, mostly JAGS. Neither is Joseph. Kneeland looks like a great player in progress--and also like the next Sean Lee (not his fault). Diggs was a hit. I think Williams will be quite good. Schoon, I fear, is headed to JAG land. Only three of those players are on the field, four if you count Kneeland. The only sure-fire hit from our recent second rounds is Diggs, and I believe Sam will be too.

It doesn't matter how a team gets its picks. There are plenty of teams that have squandered such draft capital. The Eagles usually don't, and when they do, they try their best to fix the mistake.

Some of those second rounders are good players Connor retired but he looked good since leaving. Chido as well. Diggs as well. McGovern looks good but he wasn’t a second rounder was he?

 

[StarOfGlory]

Some of those second rounders are good players Connor retired but he looked good since leaving. Chido as well. Diggs as well. McGovern looks good but he wasn’t a second rounder was he?

Ah, 3rd round. You are correct.

I didn't say some of those picks weren't good. How many are still on the team? We need a real GM.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I think it is way too early to be grading 2024 draft classes.

I won't argue the Eagles have it right. They build both lines constantly and stay strong there year after year. They will always be a tough team to play as long as they are better in those two areas than every one else.

But as I pointed out yesterday in another thread, the Eagles have $418 million parked in voidable years in 16 player contracts. In 2029 they already have $176 million set to hit the CAP all at once. The only way to avoid that CAP hit is to dump those contracts before the players' option bonuses are paid. Guess who those 16 contracts belong to? There best players.

The Eagles have been really good a drafting players they need, but they have also gotten some extra first round draft picks for players they have traded away. But lets look at their last 6 drafts first rounds.

In 2019 the Eagles drafted Andre Dillard after trading up from 25 to 22. Dillard never really played for the Eagles. Bust?

In 2020, the Eagles drafted Jalen Reagor also at 22. The Eagles finished the season 4-11-1.

In 2021, the Eagles had the 6th pick in the draft due to their bad record in 2020. They draft from 6 to 12 and back up to 10. They took DeVonta Smith. The Cowboys actually traded the 10th pick to the Eagles that year and took Micah Parsons.

In 2022, the Eagles picked at #13. They took Jordan Davis. Good player, not great. He was probably taken to replace Fletcher Cox. I believe the Eagles had multiple first round picks in 2022 after trading Carson Wentz to the Colts. They moved up to 13 to take Davis.

In 2023 the Ealges again had multiple first round picks. They had #9 they got from Carolina in a trade. They used it to pick Jalen Carter. They also had 30 and picked Nolan Smith, who has yet to establish himself.

In 2024 the Eagles Quinyon Mitchell at 22 with their only pick.

They've had success but if came compliments of some trades that rendered them multiple first round picks in multiple years. They also had a 4-11-1 season in 2020 giving them a #6 pick in 2021. Getting great value out of their trades has helped them and drafting early has helped them. This is one reason I was rooting for Dallas to tank this last part of the season. Will not get another Micah Parsons, or a Jalen Carter, drafting in the 20s. We need to be up in that top 10-12 are.

Smith and Davis are starters on the youngest defense in the NFL, and it’s a good defense. Both have distinguished themselves. Just because Philly drafted a better DLineman (Carter) and signed a better LB in free agency (Baun) doesn’t make the Davis and Smith picks less great.

I understand wanting to believe the Davis and Smith picks were not good if you’re a Cowboys fan. It isn’t so.