NFL - Commanders and Eagles ranked as 1 and 2 rookie class this year

[StarOfGlory]

I get your point I guess what I should’ve added was if guys are good some will out price themselves here. I think a few did. Chido, Conner Williams fit that. Guys like Joseph and Hill just busted.

Typically when they don’t reach on character concerns or injuries I think they do ok. I don’t know why they felt Joseph was worth that in the second with his history. Great tools but a lot of guys have good tools…

That leads to another question. Why don’t the Eagle players price themselves out as much as our guys? Maybe we need some better GMing.

 

[Chasing6]

That leads to another question. Why don’t the Eagle players price themselves out as much as our guys? Maybe we need some better GMing.

When you have depth, negotiate early, are willing to sign FA's, and or draft a replacement that equates to leverage.

Because we don't participate in negotiations early, don't sign FA replacements, then wait until the draft is over to start negotiating. Jerry has zero leverage at that point.

He is an idiot.

Some how he thinks this saves him money.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That leads to another question. Why don’t the Eagle players price themselves out as much as our guys? Maybe we need some better GMing.

Truthfully? They haven’t drafted as well as Dallas.

But these last few rookies it will be interesting to see how Carter, Mitchell and Dejuan go but it’s gonna be awhile. They are in a good spot there. I suspect Hurts is gonna be expendable to them later down the road.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

When you have depth, negotiate early, are willing to sign FA's, and or draft a replacement that equates to leverage.

Because we don't participate in negotiations early, don't sign FA replacements, then wait until the draft is over to start negotiating. Jerry has zero leverage at that point.

He is an idiot.

Some how he thinks this saves him money.

They do a good job of structuring contracts…except on Huff. I don’t know what they saw in him but that signing was a huge bust but thankfully for them it won’t hurt them.

I forgot all about Bradbury and Slay being there.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Truthfully? They haven’t drafted as well as Dallas.

But these last few rookies it will be interesting to see how Carter, Mitchell and Dejuan go but it’s gonna be awhile. They are in a good spot there. I suspect Hurts is gonna be expendable to them later down the road.

Actually, they have. 16 of their starters were drafted. Talent wise, most are better than our guys.

 

[StarOfGlory]

When you have depth, negotiate early, are willing to sign FA's, and or draft a replacement that equates to leverage.

Because we don't participate in negotiations early, don't sign FA replacements, then wait until the draft is over to start negotiating. Jerry has zero leverage at that point.

He is an idiot.

Some how he thinks this saves him money.

Like I said, we need better GMing.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Actually, they have. 16 of their starters were drafted. Talent wise, most are better than our guys.

Are you counting guys like Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham?

 

[StarOfGlory]

Are you counting guys like Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham?

Yes. I know Graham is on IR but a drafted rookie, Jalyx Hunt, has been taking a lot of his snaps.. Why shouldn't they be counted? They were drafted by the Eagles and are starters. I would count Martin and Overshown for us too, despite injuries.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes. I know Graham is on IR but a drafted rookie, Jalyx Hunt, has been taking a lot of his snaps.. Why shouldn't they be counted? They were drafted by the Eagles and are starters. I would count Martin and Overshown for us too, despite injuries.

I’m talking more about recent memory. Cowboys have been drafting better than them. As far as who has been drafting for the past 15 years it may be them I’m not sure. They do a great job off finding linemen in later rounds.

Jalyx Hunt is a jag but who knows what he will be in the future. Jordan Davis is looking like one too.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I’m talking more about recent memory. Cowboys have been drafting better than them. As far as who has been drafting for the past 15 years it may be them I’m not sure. They do a great job off finding linemen in later rounds.

Jalyx Hunt is a jag but who knows what he will be in the future. Jordan Davis is looking like one too.

Jordan Davis off/on for rush defense is positive every year, even his rookie year. He is a good player, not a JAG. Hunt? I don't call rookies JAGS because we don't know. He looks okay in his action so far. I don't bash Guyton for the same reason. Also, I think our o-line doesn't get the best coaching.

I made a post outlining recent drafts, and the Eagles are certainly ahead of us.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jordan Davis off/on for rush defense is positive every year, even his rookie year. He is a good player, not a JAG. Hunt? I don't call rookies JAGS because we don't know. He looks okay in his action so far. I don't bash Guyton for the same reason. Also, I think our o-line doesn't get the best coaching.

I made a post outlining recent drafts, and the Eagles are certainly ahead of us.

I’m interested in the years you outlined because off the top Reagor, Artega Whiteside, Marcus Smith, Barnett, Wentz, Algolor….these are busts. First and second round busts:

Jordan Davis has been fine but a top 15 pick? I’d say he’s more bust than stud. Jury is out on Nolan Smith. He looks to be bouncing back. Carter and Mitchell look like potential perennial All Pro guys. Beasts.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I’m interested in the years you outlined because off the top Reagor, Artega Whiteside, Marcus Smith, Barnett, Wentz, Algolor….these are busts. First and second round busts:

Jordan Davis has been fine but a top 15 pick? I’d say he’s more bust than stud. Jury is out on Nolan Smith. He looks to be bouncing back. Carter and Mitchell look like potential perennial All Pro guys. Beasts.

My outline was in response to another poster who used a specific number of years. I covered the past seven or eight years because the riginal post did. In those years, the Eagles have been better drafting than us. I can even add that in the year they drafted Dillard, they also drafted Mailata in the 7th round. I also noted the busts for both teams. I'm a fair man. Both teams have drafted better than average in the first two rounds, probably top ten for both. We have drafted fairly well. The Eagles have simply drafted better. No shame, as there were years we drafted better than almost anyone.

And why not? They have a better GM. Their GM can also afford to take chances drafting and with free agents at certain positions because they have a few top position coaches.

It is no accident that the Eagles probably have the best o-line coach in Jeff Stoutland. How important is this?

Example #1. Roseman sees a raw, huge, insane physical 20-year old at the IPP in Tampa. He calls Stoutland and asks him to fly to Tampa and look at this Aussie. Stoutman says his physical attributes are almost unreal for someone his size, and even though this kid never played football, he can turn him into a player if he is willing to work hard. It took a few years, but today Jordan Mailata is one of the best tackles in the game. Could our GM and o-line coach do this?

Example #2. Kelce tells the Eagles he will only play for a few more years, and they should start looking for his replacement. Roseman not only agrees, he invites Kelce to be in on the evaluation. Roseman, Kelce, and Stoutman agree that Cam Jurgens is the guy. Can you imagine our GM working like this?

Example #3. Eagles need a guard now that Jurgens is moving to center. Mekhi Becton is suddenly released by the Jets. Roseman calls Stoutland and asks him if Becton can quickly make the transition from tackle to guard. Stoutland says yes. Becton played very well for Philly this year. Would our GM do this?

I am not sure to this day how involved everyone is on the Cowboys when it comes to the draft. I do know that in Philly, Roseman is held accountable for failure. He will do what it takes to get the best players he can--draft, trades, FA's. In the meantime, our GM tells us that we are "all in" and not to worry because we can fill our holes through the draft. I just wish Jerry would fill those holes with more cement and less cardboard.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

My outline was in response to another poster who used a specific number of years. I covered the past seven or eight years because the riginal post did. In those years, the Eagles have been better drafting than us. I can even add that in the year they drafted Dillard, they also drafted Mailata in the 7th round. I also noted the busts for both teams. I'm a fair man. Both teams have drafted better than average in the first two rounds, probably top ten for both. We have drafted fairly well. The Eagles have simply drafted better. No shame, as there were years we drafted better than almost anyone.

And why not? They have a better GM. Their GM can also afford to take chances drafting and with free agents at certain positions because they have a few top position coaches.

It is no accident that the Eagles probably have the best o-line coach in Jeff Stoutland. How important is this?

Example #1. Roseman sees a raw, huge, insane physical 20-year old at the IPP in Tampa. He calls Stoutland and asks him to fly to Tampa and look at this Aussie. Stoutman says his physical attributes are almost unreal for someone his size, and even though this kid never played football, he can turn him into a player if he is willing to work hard. It took a few years, but today Jordan Mailata is one of the best tackles in the game. Could our GM and o-line coach do this?

Example #2. Kelce tells the Eagles he will only play for a few more years, and they should start looking for his replacement. Roseman not only agrees, he invites Kelce to be in on the evaluation. Roseman, Kelce, and Stoutman agree that Cam Jurgens is the guy. Can you imagine our GM working like this?

Example #3. Eagles need a guard now that Jurgens is moving to center. Mekhi Becton is suddenly released by the Jets. Roseman calls Stoutland and asks him if Becton can quickly make the transition from tackle to guard. Stoutland says yes. Becton played very well for Philly this year. Would our GM do this?

I am not sure to this day how involved everyone is on the Cowboys when it comes to the draft. I do know that in Philly, Roseman is held accountable for failure. He will do what it takes to get the best players he can--draft, trades, FA's. In the meantime, our GM tells us that we are "all in" and not to worry because we can fill our holes through the draft. I just wish Jerry would fill those holes with more cement and less cardboard.

There's no shame in saying Eagles are a better drafting team then us. I just don't see it unless we are talking about a certain amount of years.

To me the reason why Eagles are better is because they do a great drop of trading, getting from under bad deals, and developing their trenches. Keys to a contender. So this isn't about me saying oh we are better than them. They are in a much better spot then us. And i'd even concede that they are better drafting then us I just don't know what is being viewed because i'm looking and all I see is busts. Now this year hitting on DeJean and Mitchell and Carter last year does look good for them especially since in the same span we still have questions on those two drafts.

Eagles have a great system in place for their linemen. Odd they couldn't get anything out of Dillard though. Guess you also need talent toot hough.

 

[StarOfGlory]

There's no shame in saying Eagles are a better drafting team then us. I just don't see it unless we are talking about a certain amount of years.

To me the reason why Eagles are better is because they do a great drop of trading, getting from under bad deals, and developing their trenches. Keys to a contender. So this isn't about me saying oh we are better than them. They are in a much better spot then us. And i'd even concede that they are better drafting then us I just don't know what is being viewed because i'm looking and all I see is busts. Now this year hitting on DeJean and Mitchell and Carter last year does look good for them especially since in the same span we still have questions on those two drafts.

Eagles have a great system in place for their linemen. Odd they couldn't get anything out of Dillard though. Guess you also need talent toot hough.

Dillard a legit bust for sure. He looked good in college. Now just a low-end JAG.

 

[DFWJC]

Rams have been on a role on draft day the last few years.

Struck while the iron was hot by trades and FA to get a Super Bowl
Then got back to building a team the longer-term way

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Rams have been on a role on draft day the last few years.

Struck while the iron was hot by trades and FA to get a Super Bowl
Then got back to building a team the longer-term way

I wonder though if they did the opposite would they have still got a ring or been contending. They've had some great drafts and it makes you wonder had they not traded all those 1sts where they would've been.