NFL - Commanders and Eagles ranked as 1 and 2 rookie class this year

[TheDank]

The Eagles did something very under the radar a couple years ago, that's just coming to light now. They had future 1st ballot HOF center Jason Kelce, still 31 or 32, best center in the league...andbtheyused a 2nd rd pick on a center....to groom behind kelce for a couple of years.

Kelce retires last year...the new kid steps in as center this year for first time, and BOOM he was voted to pro bowl, and he looks like he very well may already be the best center in the league.

Would Jerry do that? No...he'd go chasing after RBs or a LB or some flashy move, while Howie roseman just keeps feeding the pipeline along the trenches.... and have now consistently fielded at least a top 5 oLine for the last quarter century, including multiple HOFers.

Meanwhile jerruh does what jerruh does.

Roseman is playing 3D chess.. planning years ahead, while we play tic tac toe.

Jurgens has definitely played well. Best C in the NFL is a massive stretch. Creed Humphrey is absolutely dominant. Tyler Linderbaum as well. Frank Ragnow is another thats better. But I do see your point that they made a smart move in drafting a guy and developing him to be ready to go when you're going to lose a key piece. We should've had a tackle waiting in the wings to replace Tyron... although you could argue that was Tyler Smith.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Have you heard the Joneses on their radio shows. They continue to make excuses for not using free agency. Don’t worry by 2030 Philadelphia should be in cap hell. The Rams still made the wrong decisions.

It is so baffling how they can say a Rams team that went to 2 super bowls and won one made the wrong call. No rams team since they made such "wrong decisions" was as bad as the 2024 cowboys.

 

[plasticman]

It must be nice to have such great health in their rookie classes.

Seven of the Eagles first eight picks have participated in 15 or 16 games this season.

In Washington, their top 6 rookies have missed a combined 2 games.

Meanwhile, only six Cowboys rookies have participated in at least one game. They have missed a combined 25 games, an average of four games, a quarter season per rookie.

It's getting to the point with injuries that just simple bad luck has to be ruled out. Something is going on. Something is wrong with way they evaluate players, an inability to recognize serious red flags.

 

[Chasing6]

I guess DQ can pick DTs when he has different GMs. Washington is quickly becoming an NFC East power again with Dan Snyder gone. Eagles constantly doing great things in the offseason. They just continue to reload. Hard to see our Boys keeping up. At least the NY Giants still stink.
#3 is the Rams, and #5 is the Packers. Hey, why aren't they bogged down by the contracts for their best players, just like our Cowboys?

https://www.nfl.com/news/ranking-th...2024-nfl-season-commanders-eagles-struck-gold

They damn near rank 1 & 2 with softest schedule in 2024.

 

[baltcowboy]

It is so baffling how they can say a Rams team that went to 2 super bowls and won one made the wrong call. No rams team since they made such "wrong decisions" was as bad as the 2024 cowboys.

Sadly Stephen is more worried about balancing the ledger than winning football games. I noticed since Dak signed his second contract that he has been acting like the Cowboys are one of the poorest franchises financially. It’s like he is pretending the Forbes list does not exist. The real question is how much money does Jerry put in the operating budget.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Have you heard the Joneses on their radio shows. They continue to make excuses for not using free agency. Don’t worry by 2030 Philadelphia should be in cap hell. The Rams still made the wrong decisions.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool but don't worry before that happens, both will make the playoffs lol

 

[darthseinfeld]

Cowboys aren't ranked in the top 5?

Why would they be?

 

[darthseinfeld]

An improvement - 7 periods used in your post. Next step is to incorporate them at the end of sentences, and not just all of them at the end. Baby steps

Give it up. We have been trying for years

 

[darthseinfeld]

You are a blind homer.

Throw out the Giants because they are a hot mess. Right now, the Cowboys have a worse projection over the next few years than both Philly and Washington. The Commanders getting competent ownership and a quality front office in place to go with the fact they have a young and exciting QB to try to build around puts them above us for sure. Philly basically does everything better than us at this point.

We are a franchise run by two morons who have strung together a couple of mediocre draft classes, ignore FA and have tied up a ton of cap space in an aging, now oft injured QB who was not even great, just merely "good". If you had to bet your life on which of the three franchises would have the most success over the next 3 years, you'd be a stone cold idiot to pick Dallas over Philly or Washington at this point.

You actually read that wall of text???

Props

 

[dueyhemlock]

We won't catch up to a team like the Eaqles because they use the draft and free agency. Asking mcClay to beat out other top teams with only the draft is a tall order. Couple that with a Jerry friendly coach and you have 30 years of mediocrity.

It's like a 2 arm boxer vs a 1 arm boxer.
Good luck with that.

 

[Creeper]

I like comparing our picks to our rivals. I do so by watching films and other people's film studies.

I also think the second round is more indicative of how well a team drafts.

First Round:
2019-Dillard busted for the Eagles, but is still in the league on the Packers roster. Injuries have derailed him. But at least he's going to the playoffs.
2020-Biggest miss (Jefferson was there). Reagor I believe in on the Chargers and active, going to the playoffs (even if he does suck).
2021-DeVonta Smith is damn good. Wish we had him to pair with Cee Dee.
2022-Jordan Davis. Good player, still learning and getting better. Eagles run D is better when he in on the field every year he has played.
2023-Jalen Carter. There isn't a poster on this board that wouldn't want him. I would trade our starting D line for him and rebuild the line around him.
2023-Nolan Smith has come on the second half of the season. Good pick.
2024-Quinyon Mitchell. People are already calling him one of the best corners in the league.

Now, the second round...since 2018, the Eagles have picked Dallas Goedart (top 10 TE), JJ Arcega-Whiteside (total bust), Miles Sanders (good player for them), Jalen Hurts (hit), Landon Dickerson (hit), Cam Jurgens (hit), Cooper DeJean (looks like a hit).

Six of the last eight first round picks are starting. Five of the last seven second round picks are starting. Not bad at all.

Now, our last eight first round picks in comparison: Zeke, Taco, LVE, Cee Dee, Micah, Tyler Smith, Mazi Smith, Guyton. Home runs with Cee Dee, Micah, Tyler Smith (I'm assuming they will continue with their current levels of production). Zeke was great but flamed out after four seasons. Mazi looks like a JAG. Sadly, injuries took down LVE. Taco was horrible. Guyton needs work.

Our last eight second round picks: Awuzie, Connor Williams, Conner McGovern, Hill, Diggs, Joseph, Williams, Schoon, Kneeland. The first four names aren't even on the team anymore but still in the league, mostly JAGS. Neither is Joseph. Kneeland looks like a great player in progress--and also like the next Sean Lee (not his fault). Diggs was a hit. I think Williams will be quite good. Schoon, I fear, is headed to JAG land. Only three of those players are on the field, four if you count Kneeland. The only sure-fire hit from our recent second rounds is Diggs, and I believe Sam will be too.

It doesn't matter how a team gets its picks. There are plenty of teams that have squandered such draft capital. The Eagles usually don't, and when they do, they try their best to fix the mistake.

You may have missed my point. The Eagles have drafted some good players because they were drafting early. Carter was 9, Davis was 13. When the Eagles have drafted in the later part of the round, they got Dillard, Reagor, and Mitchell. It's too soon to tell what Mitchell will be. I have seen him play well, but I have also seen him play poorly.

When the Cowboys drafted early they got CeeDee and Parsons. My point is the Eagles were aided by having multiple first round draft picks a couple of years, and drafting early in the first round. The Lions benefitted from the same things if you look at their drafts.

My point was the Cowboys might need a bad year or two, and perhaps to trade a quality player for picks to get back to being competitive.

 

[Redsfan_83]

It must be nice to have such great health in their rookie classes.

Seven of the Eagles first eight picks have participated in 15 or 16 games this season.

In Washington, their top 6 rookies have missed a combined 2 games.

Meanwhile, only six Cowboys rookies have participated in at least one game. They have missed a combined 25 games, an average of four games, a quarter season per rookie.

It's getting to the point with injuries that just simple bad luck has to be ruled out. Something is going on. Something is wrong with way they evaluate players, an inability to recognize serious red flags.

Oh, just wait there is another draft coming up shortly

 

[atlantacowboy]

Sadly Stephen is more worried about balancing the ledger than winning football games. I noticed since Dak signed his second contract that he has been acting like the Cowboys are one of the poorest franchises financially. It’s like he is pretending the Forbes list does not exist. The real question is how much money does Jerry put in the operating budget.

Well, to be fair, they can't spend more than the cap allows, but that is no excuse to use an inferior cap strategy that results in a big disadvantage relative to the rest of the league.

 

[blueblood70]

I do think that these two teams can feel that the regular season has been positive for them. There is no guarantee in the playoffs, and I think the Commanders will suffer in their run defence when they face better o-lines in the tournament.

But we shouldn't consider it hypocritical that these two other teams have done something positive this year. Especially Washington.

It's actually completely hypocritical I mean do I need to explain to you how people in here have talked about our drought and that the regular season doesn't mean anything and that doing anything short of a NFC championship game or a Super Bowl means nothing show me where Washington has done anything in the last 30 years show me and now you're propping their one regular season up that they couldn't even be the Dallas Cowboys backup team at home before that you see a single thing in the playoffs using words like the start of a powerhouse the return of a power I mean these things are the biggest hypocritical words you can choose for regular season success and they haven't even had that for more than one year the last time they won a division was the last time the Dallas Cowboys were severely injured and Mike McCarthy's first year they did that with a losing record they won a division with a losing record..

So yes the word hypocrisy is in giant red words so you all can understand how you RIP our own team but you give flowers to a team that has done less at least we have three straight seasons what we won 36 games two division titles we've been in the playoffs 5 in the last eight years apparently that doesn't matter here but for Washington going to the playoffs somehow being eligible for the playoffs they should get propped up and use a word like powerhouse are you kidding me you guys don't know anything you guys rip your own team you will not even give credit to our team for doing anything in the regular season anymore ,

but A HATED rival, a hated rival!! you will give flowers too,

it's hypocrisy.

 

[fivetwos]

Washington has played a last place scedule. We will see about them next year.

This isn’t the old days with the fifth place schedules. All of three of the 17 games are different.

If you’re counting on that to make a difference, Jerry certainly appreciates it.

After the self proclaimed cap poor Joneses pass on free agency yet again and Washington makes more moves to improve, Dallas will be battling it out with the Giants for that “last place schedule” in 2026. Better hope they don’t find a QB or it’ll probably happen.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ah, 3rd round. You are correct.

I didn't say some of those picks weren't good. How many are still on the team? We need a real GM.

I get your point I guess what I should’ve added was if guys are good some will out price themselves here. I think a few did. Chido, Conner Williams fit that. Guys like Joseph and Hill just busted.

Typically when they don’t reach on character concerns or injuries I think they do ok. I don’t know why they felt Joseph was worth that in the second with his history. Great tools but a lot of guys have good tools…

 

[CWR]

They should all take significant steps back next year since they need to start saving to sign these guys in four years.

They're so screwed.

 

[baltcowboy]

Well, to be fair, they can't spend more than the cap allows, but that is no excuse to use an inferior cap strategy that results in a big disadvantage relative to the rest of the league.

That’s just it. The Cowboys should have an advantage similar to the richer owners in the league ie: The Eagles and Rams owners. I would love to know the Cowboys operating budget. Obviously the 10 billion dollar net worth is going somewhere else.

 

[fivetwos]

They're so screwed.

Cap is real.

Don’t know why the follow up isn’t always…”so if you’re maxed and not good enough…there’s no chance of ever winning?”

Guess they like their jobs.

 

[atlantacowboy]

That’s just it. The Cowboys should have an advantage similar to the richer owners in the league ie: The Eagles and Rams owners. I would love to know the Cowboys operating budget. Obviously the 10 billion dollar net worth is going somewhere else.

The "net worth" is an estimate of what the team could sell for on the open market...... if Jerry tried to sell. It is not a pile of cash sitting around. The net worth of a team has nothing to do with how much money you can pay players. That is called the salary cap and every team has to spend that money on player salary. There is choice in the matter and it something the players union negotiates in the CBA that owners agree to. It can go up or down any year depending on league revenue. So, money to spend on players is never what separates one team from another regardless of the owners personal net worth.

The differences are in how they manage that cap money and decide how much players are worth going forward. We aren't good at those projections.