NFL hopefuls credit Cowboys coach Jason Garrett's detail-oriented approach

[DallasCowboys2080]

You are preaching to the preacher on this topic.

Some people do not want to give the guy any credit for anything.

Sure we do. Good speech giver. Good motivator. Good clapper. Smart man.

 

[Rogerthat12]

While true, I think some of that is because the dwindling crowd of Garrett Apologists defend him on everything and will never acknowledge or admit he has some shortcomings, so the reaction to that is some times just as extreme.

This is true but also problematic, no need to go the polar opposite just to prove a point, simply call it what it is across the board.

If he does some things well aknowledge these facts, if he does more things poor, call that out too yet be honest in the assessment across the board.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Sure we do. Good speech giver. Good motivator. Good clapper. Smart man.

He is the clap master...second to none.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Braxton Miller must not hang around the CZ much.

I gotta give Garrett credit. He is the best I have ever seen at maintaining the respect of the players while losing games. Most respected loser Ive ever seen.

 

[CowboyRoy]

LOL at all the butt-hurt fans that are already scrambling to remind us how much they think Garrett sucks...all because an article was published that includes a few positive quotes about him from college kids.

Get a grip.

Were those quotes before Garrett went out and bumbled the game with his in game management? LOL........Going for it on 4th and 3 from his own 27 yard line? Did you bother to watch the game. This was Garrett worst coaching bumble ever.

 

[CowboyRoy]

LOL at all the butt-hurt fans that are already scrambling to remind us how much they think Garrett sucks...all because an article was published that includes a few positive quotes about him from college kids.

Get a grip.

Why do we have to remind you that Garrett stinks? Oh yah, you still havent figured that out yet.

Why would our butts hurt? Garrett just threw up a 4-12 season to his horrid coaching record. You are the one got put over a log. You were warned? We have been telling you about Garrett for years.

 

[CowboyRoy]

LOL at all the butt-hurt Garrett supporters who are scrambling for any positive statement about Garrett that the cling to a quote by Braxton Miller.

Get a grip.

I thought it was interesting that Carson Wentz was reported to have such a great week of practice, only to be relegated to a mere footnote in the actual game. 6-10 for 50 yards.

Kind of reminds one of the reports of how great Weeden had been doing in practice and being the most improved player on the team, only to lose 3 games when it mattered and then get cut in mid-season.

Its nice that Garrett is so concerned about the huddle formation. My sixth grade football coach was a stickler for that also. Hey, Garrett’s teams probably won’t win any actual football games, but they’ll look real good breaking that huddle.

Im sure the players enjoyed losing the game.

Scrambling indeed. No doubt these same apologists will be trying to laugh in our faces if Romo comes back healthy and we start to win games again. They will claim that its all Garretts great coaching techniques and hat his "process" is finally working.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I love to poke fun at Garrett and his many idiosyncrasies but if one is honest, Garrett has some approaches that are positive and helpful, this would be one of them in my view.

Garrett would be better served being a college coach. He can clap and fanny pat, rah rah, all he wants. And if he gets with a superior program he will have the advantage that he needs of overwhelming talent for him to be successful. The NFL clearly isnt for him with Jones losing the GM battle and the salary cap keeping teams somewhat on the same footing. With equal or worst talent, Garrett has no chance.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is true but also problematic, no need to go the polar opposite just to prove a point, simply call it what it is across the board.

If he does some things well aknowledge these facts, if he does more things poor, call that out too yet be honest in the assessment across the board.

Yah, that all sounds well and good. The problem is the apologists never admit he does anything wrong.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Yah, that all sounds well and good. The problem is the apologists never admit he does anything wrong.

I agree but you can not also fall into the polar opposite fallacy or you are the same as the others.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Sure we do. Good speech giver. Good motivator. Good clapper. Smart man.

Who is "we"?

Have you not seen all of my Garrett Gifs and pics, I am leading the charge most of the time.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Garrett would be better served being a college coach. He can clap and fanny pat, rah rah, all he wants. And if he gets with a superior program he will have the advantage that he needs of overwhelming talent for him to be successful. The NFL clearly isnt for him with Jones losing the GM battle and the salary cap keeping teams somewhat on the same footing. With equal or worst talent, Garrett has no chance.

I agree, he was excellent with the college kids and Jerry with the GM structure has not been helpful to his cause.

 

[Idgit]

I agree but you can not also fall into the polar opposite fallacy.

Why would you agree with that? It's blatantly untrue. Garrett has made a ton of mistakes, and they're acknowledged in just about every single anti-Garrett thread on the board. His scheme isn't particularly inventive, he's made key game day mistakes, he messed up with assembling his defensive staff multiple times. I don't think there's a poster who supports Jason Garrett who wouldn't agree with that.

You're right that it'd be just as dumb to pretend the guy literally cont do anything right.

 

[Miller]

The reality of this article is that the kids love the way he coaches and then they go out and get mud stomped per usual in the Senior Bowl This is the JG way. Good guy, claps hard, tries to talk the process of fundamentals and then players on game day come out flat, make mistakes and fall in a hole. The guy worships Saban and Saban's system failed in the pros but works with college kids. So maybe JG needs to head that direction. When you're coaching these kids they are trying to get drafted. Of course they will love the coaches....the same coaches who get to coach because their team failed. I have nothing personal regarding JG. Seems like the type that has a good message...his message doesn't translate from what I've seen though.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Why would you agree with that? It's blatantly untrue. Garrett has made a ton of mistakes, and they're acknowledged in just about every single anti-Garrett thread on the board. His scheme isn't particularly inventive, he's made key game day mistakes, he messed up with assembling his defensive staff multiple times. I don't think there's a poster who supports Jason Garrett who wouldn't agree with that.

You're right that it'd be just as dumb to pretend the guy literally cont do anything right.

There are some apologists who may agree Garret has made mistakes but some explain them away so it is never an issue with his competence overall as head coach.

I realize some support Garrett and are also critical of his mistakes but we were speaking directly about those who will not confess to Garrett's ineptitude in certain facets because they are afraid admitting such would weaken their argument for support.

I am simply stating perhaps this is not simply a non-critical case of the either/or fallacy, that Garrett has demonstrated both positive and negative attributes even if the measure of the scale is weighed differently proportionally speaking relative to the person evaluating.

I am basically saying the extremes on both sides are problematic.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree but you can not also fall into the polar opposite fallacy or you are the same as the others.

Agreed. I do give him some credit. But honestly, there isnt a whole lot to give credit for. This would be what I give Garrett credit for:

-He is very likeable. Players coach
-Players do like him and respect him
-They seem to play hard for him
-He is a great politician, gets Jones to slobber all over him

But thats it. More about the man then about anything he does well in the football area of coaching.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why would you agree with that? It's blatantly untrue. Garrett has made a ton of mistakes, and they're acknowledged in just about every single anti-Garrett thread on the board. His scheme isn't particularly inventive, he's made key game day mistakes, he messed up with assembling his defensive staff multiple times. I don't think there's a poster who supports Jason Garrett who wouldn't agree with that.

You're right that it'd be just as dumb to pretend the guy literally cont do anything right.

I really am proud of you. That was spectacular. BRAVO!!!!!!

 

[Rogerthat12]

Agreed. I do give him some credit. But honestly, there isnt a whole lot to give credit for. This would be what I give Garrett credit for:

-He is very likeable. Players coach
-Players do like him and respect him
-They seem to play hard for him
-He is a great politician, gets Jones to slobber all over him

But thats it. More about the man then about anything he does well in the football area of coaching.

Overall in my view Garrett has been simply average as a head coach.

Everything you named above is about right, I would add he is generally organized notwithstanding in game disorganization at times and at least he has a consistent philosophy of what he wants and how he wants it in terms of players and overall approach.

Most of us that are critical are bothered by not only the mistakes and lack of creativity but by the overall body of work as head coach.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Overall in my view Garrett has been simply average as a head coach.

Everything you named above is about right, I would add he is generally organized notwithstanding in game disorganization at times and at least he has a consistent philosophy of what he wants and how he wants it in terms of players and overall approach.

Most of us that are critical are bothered by not only the mistakes and lack of creativity but by the overall body of work as head coach.

There are some things that the team would have been better off on his ideas, but Jones simply didnt allow him that kind of power.

Like the RKG thing. Very very good policy. NO trolls like Hardy or Randle, ect...ect... But its quite clear that Jones doesnt care what kind of player Garrett wants here. He is going to gamble for short term gain.

 

[Rogerthat12]

There are some things that the team would have been better off on his ideas, but Jones simply didnt allow him that kind of power.

Like the RKG thing. Very very good policy. NO trolls like Hardy or Randle, ect...ect... But its quite clear that Jones doesnt care what kind of player Garrett wants here. He is going to gamble for short term gain.

Yes, it is shame that Garrett has that decent philosophy on players but I do think it gets frustrated by the FO at times.