NFL might ban hip drop tackle after Pollard injury

[RonnieT24]

Something that occurred to me as I read some of the complaints that outlawing this tackling method would make it easier for ball carriers to gain yards. Why not increase the amount of yardage needed to make a first down? 12? 15 yards? Give something back to the defense in exchange for safer tackling techniques.

 

[BlindFaith]

Initially I thought that this would be hard to enforce. But google "hawk roll" or "gator roll" - and no, not sushi.

The technique is different than this hip drop concept. And would be just as effective.

The roll tackles alow to grab the waist, legs but then grab, roll and basically spin yhe runner down.

The hip drop is basically grabbing and then just sitting down.

As long as the league really clarifies the differnces it shouldn't be that hard to enforce. May take a year before everyone adjusts and there will be the inevitable judgment call that is incorrect, but consider me on board with making this type of tackle a penalty now.

 

[jrumann59]

Initially I thought that this would be hard to enforce. But google "hawk roll" or "gator roll" - and no, not sushi.

The technique is different than this hip drop concept. And would be just as effective.

The roll tackles alow to grab the waist, legs but then grab, roll and basically spin yhe runner down.

The hip drop is basically grabbing and then just sitting down.

As long as the league really clarifies the differnces it shouldn't be that hard to enforce. May take a year before everyone adjusts and there will be the inevitable judgment call that is incorrect, but consider me on board with making this type of tackle a penalty now.

The game of football is forward momentum vs stopping forward momentum. Kids have been taught tackling to home in on the waist, why because when someone jukes the waist will follow, so easy for a guy like a DB go in totally correct on a RB and it and up a hip drop tackle just if the runner jukes at the last second.

 

[BlindFaith]

The game of football is forward momentum vs stopping forward momentum. Kids have been taught tackling to home in on the waist, why because when someone jukes the waist will follow, so easy for a guy like a DB go in totally correct on a RB and it and up a hip drop tackle just if the runner jukes at the last second.

I get it. And tackling head on vs from the back is different as well.

I was originally against trying to ban this hip drop tackle. But fundamentally, a gator roll type tackle is just as effective. Its really more about wrapping, rolling to the side and then spinning the runner down. Vs wrapping and then just sitting down. To me, one is no more effective than the other. And if you can clearly call out the differences so everyone knows what is illegal and what is not, then why not remove that type of tackle?

 

[sbark]

Dallas lost wr Laurent Robinson to a hip drop tackle by Seahawks years ago....not a new thing

 

[jrumann59]

I get it. And tackling head on vs from the back is different as well.

I was originally against trying to ban this hip drop tackle. But fundamentally, a gator roll type tackle is just as effective. Its really more about wrapping, rolling to the side and then spinning the runner down. Vs wrapping and then just sitting down. To me, one is no more effective than the other. And if you can clearly call out the differences so everyone knows what is illegal and what is not, then why not remove that type of tackle?

The issue is in a game of moving bodies all it takes is one side step or block and a tackle could become a hip drop tackle. With a proper form tackle shoulder to waist head upand to the side and the runner is strong enough or fast enough that tackle could easily become a flagable offense, ask a 6'0" 195LBS CB to try and gator roll will turn into a hold on for dear life and could turn into a hip drop.

 

[noshame]

Break out the flag football gear.

 

[RonnieT24]

Dallas lost wr Laurent Robinson to a hip drop tackle by Seahawks years ago....not a new thing

Are you talking about Alan Hurns in the playoff game? Laurent Robinson was probably retired by the time that game was played.

 

[BlindFaith]

The issue is in a game of moving bodies all it takes is one side step or block and a tackle could become a hip drop tackle. With a proper form tackle shoulder to waist head upand to the side and the runner is strong enough or fast enough that tackle could easily become a flagable offense, ask a 6'0" 195LBS CB to try and gator roll will turn into a hold on for dear life and could turn into a hip drop.

Then he hangs on until help arrives. Its not like hes allowed to do anything and everything to bring down a runner. Cant horse collar, cant trip them.

 

[khiladi]

Not entirely true. You can break the horse collar tackle if your have a strong enough base to be able to stop and change direction as you twist out of the grip of the would be tackler. Marion Barber used to do it all the time.. as did the great Walter Payton. It requires a LOT of lower body strength and a ton of energy being expended.. but it can be done. The injuries happened when a much stronger player (Roy Williams) got hold of a much weaker player (T.O.) and bent him over backwards using on the the strength of one arm. I was not sad to see the technique banned.. but it saddened me to see the player it reduced Roy Williams to. Dude pretty much couldn't play defense anymore..

one of the biggest drop offs in play.. I think the main part of his drop off was the NFL went pass happy and he was getting exposed in nickel and dime packages. He was awful on third downs.

 

[jrumann59]

Then he hangs on until help arrives. Its not like hes allowed to do anything and everything to bring down a runner. Cant horse collar, cant trip them.

So if he is holding on for dear life and it turns into a hip drop throw the flag.

 

[BlindFaith]

So if he is holding on for dear life and it turns into a hip drop throw the flag.

Yes. But why would he? Just slide down and wrap up his legs.

This type of tackle/play doesnt happen very often. Making it illegal and emphasizing it will reduce it before a single flag is thrown.

Yes, there will be a handful of questionable calls, but whats new? We still don't know what a catch is or what roughing the passer is.

 

[erod]

Soon, there won't be a legal tackle left.

And we all know what that means.

 

[KeepinTime]

Pansies. Let's just have offense only. No Defense. What team can score the most amount of points wins!

Completely disagree. I'm almost done with football anyways, Cowboys will never change, Brady and Manning retired, having a hard time finding reasons to watch Football.

Still enjoy seeing Dak choke in big games. Will keep watching for that.

So you’re a Cowboys fan but you enjoy seeing their QB choke in big games. Maybe you’re doing something wrong there.

 

[eromeopolk]

Until you have a rule that says its a dirty hit/penalty....It is not a dirty hit/penalty. Losing Pollard is not the reason the Jonesboys lost. That started in the off season when they traded Cooper, and let go players they should not have let go...Jerry Dumbo GM Jones. Jonesboys lost 2 starters on the OL, 1 starter at WR, and 1 starter on defense. All except one made immediate impact on their new teams.

Cowboys needed a 78 catch, 1200 yd, 9 TD WR with more +20 yard catches, and 14.9 ypc WR opposite Lamb.

Their was no other explosive player on the roster after Pollard went down. That is the GM's fault.

 

[jrumann59]

Yes. But why would he? Just slide down and wrap up his legs.

This type of tackle/play doesnt happen very often. Making it illegal and emphasizing it will reduce it before a single flag is thrown.

Yes, there will be a handful of questionable calls, but whats new? We still don't know what a catch is or what roughing the passer is.

He very well could but he could that is the weird thing about moving bodies he could end up around the legs in some fashion.

 

[BlindFaith]

He very well could but he could that is the weird thing about moving bodies he could end up around the legs in some fashion.

Around the legs isnt the issue. Its grabbing the waist and basically sitting on the runners legs that is the problem.

 

[Diehardblues]

I wish they could ban Hip Hop all together . Lol

 

[jrumann59]

Yes. But why would he? Just slide down and wrap up his legs.

This type of tackle/play doesnt happen very often. Making it illegal and emphasizing it will reduce it before a single flag is thrown.

Yes, there will be a handful of questionable calls, but whats new? We still don't know what a catch is or what roughing the passer is.

Ok he slides down for his legs but ends up on the back of his legs throw the flag?

 

[jrumann59]

Around the legs isnt the issue. Its grabbing the waist and basically sitting on the runners legs that is the problem.

If a person goes to tackle waist or higher there is a chance his body will end up on the runners legs, NFL football is not the unstoppable force hitting an immovable object, there are angles, momentum, jukes, turf monsters, blockers all those things and then some that can change the way a tackle ends up looking like.