NFL might ban hip drop tackle after Pollard injury

[jwitten82]

I am just repeating what the NFL is saying. They are looking at it...they will likely ban it.

You can listen to Sherman....have fun.

Well of course the NFL wants to ban it, because the face of the NFL (Mahomes) got injured. If not for that, this wouldn't be an issue. Now apologize

 

[Ken]

Well of course the NFL wants to ban it, because the face of the NFL (Mahomes) got injured. If not for that, this wouldn't be an issue. Now apologize

Sorry you are on the losing side of this convo...lol

Why would you butt in all "ELITE" and all just to admit I am right? lol

 

[jwitten82]

Sorry you are on the losing side of this convo...lol

Why would you butt in all "ELITE" and all just to admit I am right? lol

The only who want this banned are people who have never played defense in their life

 

[America's Cowboy]

Says the guy who pm'd me saying you hope the eagles win the Superbowl

Another lie from this troll!!!

 

[jwitten82]

Another lie from this troll!!!

I got proof, no use in trying to hide it. What kinda "cowboys fan" roots for the eagles?

 

[Ken]

I got proof, no use in trying to hide it. What kinda "cowboys fan" roots for the eagles?

Screenshot it then. Not hard.

 

[jwitten82]

Screenshot it then. Not hard.

I'm not talking to you. Remember? You said that, do I gotta screenshot that for you too?

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not talking to you. Remember? You said that, do I gotta screenshot that for you too?

Doesn't matter who you're talking to this is a public forum. If you're going to make accusations about someone....even if it is about the most trivial subject of all time let's see the evidence or it just becomes assumed to be slander.

 

[jwitten82]

Doesn't matter who you're talking to this is a public forum. If you're going to make accusations about someone....even if it is about the most trivial subject of all time let's see the evidence or it just becomes assumed to be slander.

You don't know what you're talking about

 

[RonnieT24]

Horse collar tackle is nothing like the hip drop, as the horse collar snaps a guy backwards by grabbing the upper-inside of the jersey and pretty much has zero way of even trying to break a tackle. The other, you have to wrap up and go down on him, while the offensive player is still fighting to move forward.

Not entirely true. You can break the horse collar tackle if your have a strong enough base to be able to stop and change direction as you twist out of the grip of the would be tackler. Marion Barber used to do it all the time.. as did the great Walter Payton. It requires a LOT of lower body strength and a ton of energy being expended.. but it can be done. The injuries happened when a much stronger player (Roy Williams) got hold of a much weaker player (T.O.) and bent him over backwards using on the the strength of one arm. I was not sad to see the technique banned.. but it saddened me to see the player it reduced Roy Williams to. Dude pretty much couldn't play defense anymore..

 

[CowboyFrog]

You cannot drive through a tackle if the person you are tackling is just as fast or faster than you and running away from you, the physics does not work. Pretty much if you can't get in front of the guy or come in from the side trailing would be tacklers will just let it go.

If you have a hold of the guy then go forward this is not a hard concept, 2 things you can do when from behind and holding the guy:
1. stay on your feet and try and pull him to stop his forward progress
2. Fall forward while you have him and hold onto his legs to stop them from moving forward

What not to do to avoid this injury:
Dont pull backwards while throwing your lower body forwards into the back of his legs....its realy that simple.

 

[thunderpimp91]

You don't know what you're talking about

Nope I have zero idea....which is why I'd love to see the evidence to see who is full of it.

And full transparency reading back through the thread I'm on your side for most of this, I'm completely lost as to why we are taking "shots" at people though.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Not entirely true. You can break the horse collar tackle if your have a strong enough base to be able to stop and change direction as you twist out of the grip of the would be tackler. Marion Barber used to do it all the time.. as did the great Walter Payton. It requires a LOT of lower body strength and a ton of energy being expended.. but it can be done. The injuries happened when a much stronger player (Roy Williams) got hold of a much weaker player (T.O.) and bent him over backwards using on the the strength of one arm. I was not sad to see the technique banned.. but it saddened me to see the player it reduced Roy Williams to. Dude pretty much couldn't play defense anymore..

very true....running styles have a lot to do with this. Guys that run straight up have almost no chance to break a horse collar tackle. Guys like MB3 always ran aggressively with their shoulders out in front of them making it tougher for guys to grab and pull on the collar. Those guys who embrace the physicality of this game may get beat up more and get bruises and strains, but it's funny how they tend to avoid the major injuries at a higher rate.

 

[RonnieT24]

very true....running styles have a lot to do with this. Guys that run straight up have almost no chance to break a horse collar tackle. Guys like MB3 always ran aggressively with their shoulders out in front of them making it tougher for guys to grab and pull on the collar. Those guys who embrace the physicality of this game may get beat up more and get bruises and strains, but it's funny how they tend to avoid the major injuries at a higher rate.

Yeah if you run behind your pads you will seldom be in a position to be horse collared or suffer this whole weight on the back of the legs while holding your upper body thing. It would be fun to see an offensive lineman "fall" on the back of the tackler's legs every time the tackler used that technique. Maybe have them grab the tackler just the same we he is grabbing the ball carrier. I think if you had that happen a few times early on in the season defenders would get the message about how dangerous it is and stop doing it.

 

[Pass2Run]

And they should

Anyone with a semblance of a brain knows that was intentional, and dirty.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I doubt it even gets considered, but this is an excellent point. The league could do several things to reduce this type of tackle without creating additional penalties for the defense....which is in my opinion more penalties + less defense is not a good recipe for the league in its current state. Even something like changing where officials spot the ball by making it have to do with where the runners feet are instead of the ball could work. This has a significant ripple effect that has a significant impact on how the game is played (not all in a good way), but it diminishes the need of a defender to do certain tackles that pull their weight back and makes it easier for defenders to naturally follow through with forward momentum to stop a runner.

While I don't really love that idea in full I am tired of the league just saying "lets outlaw it and make this a 15 yard penalty" instead of coming up with better solutions.

I don’t think it would happen either and was being half-way facetious. The point I was making is speaking to folks trying to claim they know the tackle was “dirty” and malicious.

The reality is Pollard got his legs rolled up on because he kept running (as he should). It seems absolutely asinine and onerous for blaming a defensive player for trying to tackle a guy that is fighting off his efforts and getting hurt.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

And they should

Anyone with a semblance of a brain knows that was intentional, and dirty.

Case in point.

Mindless tenderhearts motive mongering.

 

[thunderpimp91]

And they should

Anyone with a semblance of a brain knows that was intentional, and dirty.

I'm all for keeping an open mind on banning the tackle, but don't think its fair at all to say that is a dirty play. I bet you could pick nearly any game this year and find a similar type of tackle. I'd prefer to see the defender run through the tackle and roll the runner on those types of plays, but that's also how the Tua injury happened. Playing defense right now just seems like a lose/lose.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I'm all for keeping an open mind on banning the tackle, but don't think its fair at all to say that is a dirty play. I bet you could pick nearly any game this year and find a similar type of tackle. I'd prefer to see the defender run through the tackle and roll the runner on those types of plays, but that's also how the Tua injury happened. Playing defense right now just seems like a lose/lose.

Correct, it doesnt have to be intentional to be dangerous, Defensive players have many rules right now that are much harder to implement during full speed than this one would be. If its not about fair or unfair and just about trying to limit injury plays than this one should be a rule.

 

[RonnieT24]

Correct, it doesnt have to be intentional to be dangerous, Defensive players have many rules right now that are much harder to implement during full speed than this one would be. If its not about fair or unfair and just about trying to limit injury plays than this one should be a rule.

Yeah the technique amount to tripping IMHO. If the defender did not have hold of another part of the runner's body that's likely exactly what it would be called and as long as defender's name is not Tom Brady that defender would be flagged.