NFL might ban hip drop tackle after Pollard injury

CowboyFrog

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some players are smart enough to know how to make that tackle and position their body on the player to cause the most pain and in some cases putting that player on the shelf for a long time. I agree with doing away with it but I dont know how you replace it. Tackle below the hips and dont land on the legs? Some guys would slide right off the ball carrier. It is a tackle tho that causes players to end their season at best and career at worse.
Its not the landing legs by itself its the pulling back on the upper body while throwing your lower body into thiers... Again if he drives forward and pollard goes face down on the tackle then the defender lands on his legs and there is no injury because everything is moving the same direction.
 

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It was the same tackle.

Only difference was, Lamb hobbled for a bit afterward and didn't suffer a season-ending leg injury.

We are done here since you can't have an honest conversation.
That’s called a tackle Ken. If you played football on any level, even in the back yard you’d know that was a normal tackle.

Loool, smh.
 

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Its not the landing legs by itself its the pulling back on the upper body while throwing your lower body into thiers... Again if he drives forward and pollard goes face down on the tackle then the defender lands on his legs and there is no injury because everything is moving the same direction.
If you’ve ever tackled someone you’re trying to stop them as quickly as possible and that includes using your weight to bring someone down.

What’s being missed in all of this is why don’t we put the onus on the offensive player? Why don’t we say when a defender has control of you the play ends or you’re required to go to the ground?
 

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If you’ve ever tackled someone you’re trying to stop them as quickly as possible and that includes using your weight to bring someone down.

What’s being missed in all of this is why don’t we put the onus on the offensive player? Why don’t we say when a defender has control of you the play ends or you’re required to go to the ground?
Nothing the NFL has done latley hinders offenese so i dont think they will tell the RB's to give themselves up, if we are talking about avoiding this play because of injury the way they will do it is tell them to go forward with the tackle and do not try and bend the player backwards...has nothing to do with fair or unfair.


Yes i have tackled many people as i played defense, but again doing this would be much easier than the hit box they are giving for hitting WR and such.
 

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With the horse-collar banned, it's a bit of a surprise that they've gone this long allowing the hip drop. Of course, it definitely will make it harder on defenders to try to bring down players fighting for additional yardage in a game where every yard matters.
 

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Horse collar tackle is nothing like the hip drop, as the horse collar snaps a guy backwards by grabbing the upper-inside of the jersey and pretty much has zero way of even trying to break a tackle. The other, you have to wrap up and go down on him, while the offensive player is still fighting to move forward.
 

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That’s all the league is which is why complaining about not having a perfect defense is silly.

Keeping points low and creating turnovers is all you can ask for.
True. We want to have Doomsday III or IV or whatever it is, but there are so many rules in place that make it difficult to have that kind of defense.
 

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Why not just get rid of defense completely? Then no one will ever get hurt.
I think you old timers just aren’t seeing things the way they’re trying to do it. They’re trying to keep the players on the field.

football is a mixture of wrestling and track. It isn’t war. We have to get over the “JACKD UP!” Mindstate we all had growing up.

On that particular play the niners defender provably in the future will have to find a different way to tackle the man that doent require his opponent to be on crutches he’s for 6 months
 

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Horse collar tackle is nothing like the hip drop, as the horse collar snaps a guy backwards by grabbing the upper-inside of the jersey and pretty much has zero way of even trying to break a tackle. The other, you have to wrap up and go down on him.
Giggidy


To be honest as a skinnier guy I would do the hip drop alligator roll tackle. I had one coach be like “Randy try tackling the guy on a way that isn’t you just holding onto him and letting him trip over your body as you hold on for dear life”
 

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Giggidy


To be honest as a skinnier guy I would do the hip drop alligator roll tackle. I had one coach be like “Randy try tackling the guy on a way that isn’t you just holding onto him and letting him trip over your body as you hold on for dear life”
True to the name that you have chosen for this forum :muttley::muttley::muttley:
 

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If you’ve ever tackled someone you’re trying to stop them as quickly as possible and that includes using your weight to bring someone down.

What’s being missed in all of this is why don’t we put the onus on the offensive player? Why don’t we say when a defender has control of you the play ends or you’re required to go to the ground?
I doubt it even gets considered, but this is an excellent point. The league could do several things to reduce this type of tackle without creating additional penalties for the defense....which is in my opinion more penalties + less defense is not a good recipe for the league in its current state. Even something like changing where officials spot the ball by making it have to do with where the runners feet are instead of the ball could work. This has a significant ripple effect that has a significant impact on how the game is played (not all in a good way), but it diminishes the need of a defender to do certain tackles that pull their weight back and makes it easier for defenders to naturally follow through with forward momentum to stop a runner.

While I don't really love that idea in full I am tired of the league just saying "lets outlaw it and make this a 15 yard penalty" instead of coming up with better solutions.
 

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Horse collar tackle is nothing like the hip drop, as the horse collar snaps a guy backwards by grabbing the upper-inside of the jersey and pretty much has zero way of even trying to break a tackle. The other, you have to wrap up and go down on him, while the offensive player is still fighting to move forward.
While I'm sure that's effective, the NFL will struggle to keep its PG rating with this technique.
 

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You never played at an elite level. I would've smoked you, even Richard Sherman said this wasn't dirty
Are you Jason Witten? That is an elite level.

Not sure what you are talking about.

I wasn't talking to you either....IDGA crap about what Sherman said either.
 

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you drive through your tackle just like any other tackle, you wrap up and go forward dont flig your lower body into the back of thier legs, thats whats causing injuries. Dont grab and lean back go forrward through your tackle and this would stop.
You cannot drive through a tackle if the person you are tackling is just as fast or faster than you and running away from you, the physics does not work. Pretty much if you can't get in front of the guy or come in from the side trailing would be tacklers will just let it go.
 

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Are you Jason Witten? That is an elite level.

Not sure what you are talking about.

I wasn't talking to you either....IDGA crap about what Sherman said either.
Well I'm talking to you, playboi. Yeah, let's ignore Sherman, a guy who's actually played at a top level. Let's listen to you, a fan on a message board
 

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Well I'm talking to you, playboi. Yeah, let's ignore Sherman, a guy who's actually played at a top level. Let's listen to you, a fan on a message board
I am just repeating what the NFL is saying. They are looking at it...they will likely ban it.

You can listen to Sherman....have fun.
 
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