NFL Officiating; Petition to NFL with members signatures complaining about poor offic

[Yakuza Rich]

If you throw the red flag and you're out of challenges, isn't that unsportsmanlike conduct, 15 yard penalty OR delay of game OR something... This is a standard mandatory call isn't it?

I don't know what the rule is, but it should at the very least be a delay of game....because it actually delays the game.







YAKUZA

 

[links18]

i agree with that, but that shows the incompetence of the nfl officials in that ball game doesnt it, or maybe partiality of the nfl refs in that game to the packers doesnt it;

Yes, it was an absolutely inexcusable example of incompetence.

 

[cowboyjoe]

What about the call on Mike Jenkins when Scandrick made the play of the half? Plus, they blew the whistle on the fumble and loose ball. It looked like a fumble to me. Scandrick had a sack and TD on one play. The replay showed that Jenkins didn't do anything to merit that pitiful call.

I saw Ratliff and Spears being held on big runs, no call.

Yakuza Rich say it, too.

me too, i just named some bad calls that the refs made, but my point is, this was more than 3 or 4 bad calls, this was like 9 to 12 bad calls

even the radio announcer said was a picky call on jenkins

another bad call was the helmet to helmet on romo, twice now in 2 games, this games and another one, romo has been hit in the head, helmet to helmet nad no call, but when we hit a qb in the helmet to helmet we get a call on us

 

[links18]

I'm all for it, but nothing will be done unless it hits the NFL in the wallet or there is some big scandal that arises out of it.

Here's the thing that I complain about...many of the refs simply do not know the rules. For example, in the Carolina v Washington game a few weeks ago on 4th and goal the Panthers ran the ball, fumbled it and it was recovered in the end zone by Carolina TE Jeff King. The refs ruled it a TD until London Fletcher had to inform them that the rules state that King cannot recover the ball in that situation.

Refs not knowing the rules.

My big gripe today was it seemed like the refs just simply got fed up with having to call a holding penalty against the Packers. That and the Jenkins hand to the face call was horrendous.

But we really need to see a league wide petition because the referees suck league wide and nothing substantive is ever done to improve it.





YAKUZA

It doesn't help that the rules are damn complicated that you need a lawyer to interpret them, but aren't a lot of these refs supposedly lawyers?

 

[Ren]

No, thats where i disagree with you, i have done some research on this;
a few years back the nfl admitted to calling 9 bad calls in one game, 9
year before last or last year, the nfl sent 3 different letters to the steelers for blown calls, was tomlins first year i think as head coach
they admitted in the seattle pittsburgh game they blew some calls
the nfl also admitted in a ravens game they blew some calls

i remember in a couple of cowboys games, our head coaches said the nfl admitted they blew some calls

thats my point, its not just our team, its other teams too with blown calls

now have i said anything when other teams have had bad calls on them, no, like in a petition, but i have said it several times on this board;

and yet you chose today to start this crusade for justice...

 

[cowboyjoe]

I don't know what the rule is, but it should at the very least be a delay of game....because it actually delays the game.







YAKUZA

thats what the radio announer said too, was babe and brad sham and the announer after the game covering the cowboys, he said the same thing too

thats my point it delays the game, takes away momentum from the offense like it did with us;

now teams may see that and take advantage of the goof up and do it to us in other games too

 

[Apollo Creed]

They looked paid off today. We didn't deserve to win but they missed COUNTLESS holding penalties.

 

[SultanOfSix]

thats what the radio announer said too, was babe and brad sham and the announer after the game covering the cowboys, he said the same thing too

thats my point it delays the game, takes away momentum from the offense like it did with us;

now teams may see that and take advantage of the goof up and do it to us in other games too

Don't worry, I'm sure the NFL officiating review board will come up with some made up excuse and then put it into the rule book like they did the magical "tuck" rule nine years ago.

I could have sworn that other coaches have indeed tried to challenge when they are out of them and have been penalized for it because they have to know that they've lost all of their challenges.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I'm all for it, but nothing will be done unless it hits the NFL in the wallet or there is some big scandal that arises out of it.

Here's the thing that I complain about...many of the refs simply do not know the rules. For example, in the Carolina v Washington game a few weeks ago on 4th and goal the Panthers ran the ball, fumbled it and it was recovered in the end zone by Carolina TE Jeff King. The refs ruled it a TD until London Fletcher had to inform them that the rules state that King cannot recover the ball in that situation.

Refs not knowing the rules.

My big gripe today was it seemed like the refs just simply got fed up with having to call a holding penalty against the Packers. That and the Jenkins hand to the face call was horrendous.

But we really need to see a league wide petition because the referees suck league wide and nothing substantive is ever done to improve it.





YAKUZA

totally agree with that, another article i came across on poor officiating, a writer said the same thing, he heard that the refs dont spend enough time on it

what bugs the heck out of me, the refs are paid part time, not full time, to me, if the owners knew that the fans didnt like the play calling of some refs and we let the owners we have had enough of part time refs, we want full time refs that are made accountable, fined when they miss bad calls heavily and the nfl is in fact fined when they blow calls too,

like for instance, when the NFL officiating crew blows calls, the nfl has to pay to the teams that they missed the call on, then you might get some action too

just like in any business, when your held accountable, and you have to answer to your action, or incompetence, then you either change or have to get a new job

 

[cowboyjoe]

Don't worry, I'm sure the NFL officiating review board will come up with some made up excuse and then put it into the rule book like they did the magical "tuck" rule nine years ago.

I could have sworn that other coaches have indeed tried to challenge when they are out of them and have been penalized for it because they have to know that they've lost all of their challenges.

best i remember a couple of years ago, we were penalized for that very thing once;

 

[links18]

best i remember a couple of years ago, we were penalized for that very thing once;

So are they supposed to take the flag away when you are out of challenges or what? Anyone know where to find out?

 

[cowboyjoe]

They looked paid off today. We didn't deserve to win but they missed COUNTLESS holding penalties.

totally agree
felix on the ball, turned over by the defender, with felix grasping the ball in both hands and the defender ripping the ball out of both hands of felix

helmet to helmet hit on tony romo, ref standing right there

countless calls on holding, one of them with a big run the packers made, you could see the packers holding spears, ref right there, no call

tacky call on jenkins when scandrick sacked their qb

best i remember there is a rule in the nfl now too you cant jump in the stands and celebrate with fans too like their qb did

on tv they show the cb holding austin after 5 yards in the endzone, where the cb grabs austin, no flag

theres alot more too, just bad calls tonight;

 

[28 Joker]

me too, i just named some bad calls that the refs made, but my point is, this was more than 3 or 4 bad calls, this was like 9 to 12 bad calls

even the radio announcer said was a picky call on jenkins

another bad call was the helmet to helmet on romo, twice now in 2 games, this games and another one, romo has been hit in the head, helmet to helmet nad no call, but when we hit a qb in the helmet to helmet we get a call on us

I hear you. You are right. You named a bunch, and there was a bunch.

Yeah, the Cowboys' offense sputtered today and the kicker let them down on that first drive but that Scandrick play and that fumble Felix Jones recovered killed our chances to win. They got 7 they shouldn't have scored, and the Cowboys had 7 taken away, imo.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It doesn't help that the rules are damn complicated that you need a lawyer to interpret them, but aren't a lot of these refs supposedly lawyers?

They are not hard at all to interpret. Especially if you go thru extensive training on them.

The London Fletcher rule I was talking about is pretty clear. Yet, they didn't know that.

Even something more complicated as Pass Interference vs. 'Incidental Contact' is pretty easy to understand, yet the refs continue to screw it up each week in the games I watch around the league.





YAKUZA

 

[links18]

They are not hard at all to interpret. Especially if you go thru extensive training on them.

The London Fletcher rule I was talking about is pretty clear. Yet, they didn't know that.

Even something more complicated as Pass Interference vs. 'Incidental Contact' is pretty easy to understand, yet the refs continue to screw it up each week in the games I watch around the league.



YAKUZA

Some of them are pretty obscure, but you are right that is why refs should be full time and undergo extensive training.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

totally agree with that, another article i came across on poor officiating, a writer said the same thing, he heard that the refs dont spend enough time on it

what bugs the heck out of me, the refs are paid part time, not full time, to me, if the owners knew that the fans didnt like the play calling of some refs and we let the owners we have had enough of part time refs, we want full time refs that are made accountable, fined when they miss bad calls heavily and the nfl is in fact fined when they blow calls too,

like for instance, when the NFL officiating crew blows calls, the nfl has to pay to the teams that they missed the call on, then you might get some action too

just like in any business, when your held accountable, and you have to answer to your action, or incompetence, then you either change or have to get a new job

The refs get paid part time, but make fantastic money working as a ref.

The problem IMO is that the NFL doesn't take steps to develop good refs. Making them full time just increases their pay and doesn't mean that better refs will be a replacement. So you're basically paying more for the same lousy quality.

Develop more 'good' refs and make the competition tougher and you'll see better refereeing. And you can still pay them part time as well.




YAKUZA

 

[cowboyjoe]

They are not hard at all to interpret. Especially if you go thru extensive training on them.

The London Fletcher rule I was talking about is pretty clear. Yet, they didn't know that.

Even something more complicated as Pass Interference vs. 'Incidental Contact' is pretty easy to understand, yet the refs continue to screw it up each week in the games I watch around the league.





YAKUZA

i got one better than that, the official that ruled newman was called for unnecessary roughness, and newman and refs had to point out to the refs, it was on a green back packer number 41

 

[cowboyjoe]

The refs get paid part time, but make fantastic money working as a ref.

The problem IMO is that the NFL doesn't take steps to develop good refs. Making them full time just increases their pay and doesn't mean that better refs will be a replacement. So you're basically paying more for the same lousy quality.

Develop more 'good' refs and make the competition tougher and you'll see better refereeing. And you can still pay them part time as well.




YAKUZA

good point, thanks yakuza, i will keep that in mind when i write my officiating story this week

 

[NFLSucks]

I refuse to watch this sport anymore. From felons to shifting players around like they are meat, I have lost all interest.

However for the sake of the game ill sign the petition. NFL has officially lost its way as Americas Sport.

Enjoy the NFL because I wont be tuning in any longer, nor buying Madden, nor anything related. Its a joke. YOUR team doesnt mean anything its filled with players from OTHER teams.

 

[AbeBeta]

If you throw the red flag and you're out of challenges, isn't that unsportsmanlike conduct, 15 yard penalty OR delay of game OR something... This is a standard mandatory call isn't it?

That one is on WADE -- he needs to be on the field screaming like crazy at the officials about that. He complains and they take the time to discuss the mistake. He lets it go and nothing