NFL players give Goodell high marks for job as commissioner

[Doomsday101]

Maybe because they've seen coaches get fined for the despicable offense of calling out the officials on the horrendous job they sometimes do.

Maybe because they have seen first hand the inconsistency in his rulings and don't want to put a target on their backs.

They did not put their name on this so how would he know who graded him which way? Come on, this has more to do with fans not liking him the players seem to have less of an issue with him.

 

[Vtwin]

I would say C means it was alright nothing special but you are taking 8 percent and actling like that is the majority the majority has given him a pass grade 8 percent gave him a D or less no matter how you spin it that is a pretty good positive vote from the player to Goodell.

How am I doing that?

I am not making more out of the 8%.

I am making more out of the over one third who gave him C or lower.

For the record. C's are for under achieving slackers or over achieving idiots.

So you could say that 34% of those polled say Goodell is either an under achieving slacker or and over achieving idiot.

Its probably just me but that really isn't a resume padding stat.

These are my exact words. To use your words, 34% think the job he is doing is "nothing special" or worse. Putting myself in his place I would wonder why so many thought I was "nothing special" or worse.

They did not put their name on this so how would he know who graded him which way? Come on, this has more to do with fans not liking him the players seem to have less of an issue with him.

How do you know this? Did they put any sort or specific info on it. Team the respondant plays for maybe?

I have a lot of experience with these sorts of surveys in a corporate setting. I have seen over and over respondants just not taking the chance, knowing nothing would change anyway and answering the questions with what they thought wanted to be heard rather then their true feelings.

I have also seen many times the result tabulators try and figure out who the respondants were based on what little info they have.

What would the players have to gain by dissing the guy who randomly decides the punishment the next time that player nails the QB just a bit to high or to late?

Goodell has made it more then clear that NO criticism of his operation will be tolerated.

 

[masomenos]

Just for fun, this is a excerpt regarding academic grades, from the Harvard Student Handbook.

C+, C, C– Earned by work that indicates an adequate and satisfactory comprehension of the course material and the skills needed to work with the course material and that indicates the student has met the basic requirements for completing assigned work and participating in class activities.

So, using that, we can say that 92% of players feel that Goodell is doing an "adequate and satisfactory" job or better. That's pretty good.



http://webdocs.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/ugrad_handbook/current/chapter2/grading_system.html

 

[Doomsday101]

How am I doing that?



These are my exact words. To use your words, 34% think the job he is doing is "nothing special" or worse. Putting myself in his place I would wonder why so many thought I was "nothing special" or worse.



How do you know this? Did they put any sort or specific info on it. Team the respondant plays for maybe?

I have a lot of experience with these sorts of surveys in a corporate setting. I have seen over and over respondants just not taking the chance, knowing nothing would change anyway and answering the questions with what they thought wanted to be heard rather then their true feelings.

I have also seen many times the result tabulators try and figure out who the respondants were based on what little info they have.

What would the players have to gain by dissing the guy who randomly decides the punishment the next time that player nails the QB just a bit to high or to late?

Goodell has made it more then clear that NO criticism of his operation will be tolerated.

This was your comment looks like if anyone is spinning it is you.
"If I were media and wanted to put my spin on it I might point out that over 1/3 of the players think he deserves a C or lower."

8 percent gave him a poor grade the rest were passing 66% was a B or higher that is good marks like it or not.

As far as how would I know that names were not put on the polling? because they never do, this poll was not conducted by the league office and when doing polling they are not asking for names because they want to get a true view

 

[Vtwin]

This was your comment looks like if anyone is spinning it is you.
"If I were media and wanted to put my spin on it I might point out that over 1/3 of the players think he deserves a C or lower."

8 percent gave him a poor grade the rest were passing 66% was a B or higher that is good marks like it or not.

As far as how would I know that names were not put on the polling? because they never do, this poll was not conducted by the league office and when doing polling they are not asking for names because they want to get a true view

My entire point in this thread is to say that these results can be interpreted differently. I simply pointed out the way in which your positive outlook could be viewed differently.

In my opinion, in this circumstance, 66% approval is not anything to get real excited about. The fact that this debate can even happen is testament to that conviction. It's good but it is certainly not great.

Once again I have to come back to this analogy. Would you be happy to choose a surgeon who had a 66% approval rating from his/her past patients?

 

[Vtwin]

Just for fun, this is a excerpt regarding academic grades, from the Harvard Student Handbook.



So, using that, we can say that 92% of players feel that Goodell is doing an "adequate and satisfactory" job or better. That's pretty good.



http://webdocs.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/ugrad_handbook/current/chapter2/grading_system.html

From your link.

and that indicates the student has met the basic requirements for completing assigned work and participating in class activities.

You call that pretty good?

 

[Doomsday101]

My entire point in this thread is to say that these results can be interpreted differently. I simply pointed out the way in which your positive outlook could be viewed differently.

In my opinion, in this circumstance, 66% approval is not anything to get real excited about. The fact that this debate can even happen is testament to that conviction. It's good but it is certainly not great.

Once again I have to come back to this analogy. Would you be happy to choose a surgeon who had a 66% approval rating from his/her past patients?

If the President or political person get 66% good approval rating most would call that landslide approval. A surgeon no we expect more when you life is in their hands this is not the case. I know fans view of him is not good fact is the players view are sorry you don't like that it is what it is. You can spin in all day long but when you have that high of a mark in that position that is pretty darn good

 

[masomenos]

You call that pretty good?

The fact that 92% of respondents think he is at leastmeeting basic requirements is pretty good, yes. That means that only 8% think that he's failing in his job duties.

As to your example with the doctor, the surgeon would have to successfully complete the surgery in order to meet a "satisfactory" level of performance. Maybe some people think he's a jerk and that his bedside manner is terrible, or maybe someone thought that they wouldn't be in as much pain after the surgery. Regardless, if I go in to have my appendix removed and he removes it successfully and leaves me with no ill effects, then he's done a satisfactory job. Has he gone above and beyond what other surgeons would do? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful.

As to the restaurant example, think of the grade scale in terms of 1-5 stars. On review sites such as Yelp, you can see bar graphs that represent how many people selected each star level. If Goodell were a restaurant, his chart would look something like this...

5 star ++++++++++++ (12)

4 star ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (28)

3 star ++++++++++++++++ (16)

2 star +++ (3)

1 star ++ (2)

Are you telling me that you wouldn't try a restaurant that had a review distribution like that? Give me a break.

 

[Vtwin]

If the President or political person get 66% good approval rating most would call that landslide approval. A surgeon no we expect more when you life is in their hands this is not the case. I know fans view of him is not good fact is the players view are sorry you don't like that it is what it is. You can spin in all day long but when you have that high of a mark in that position that is pretty darn good

I purposely did not use your political analogy because it is not relevant. The political process is the the melding of ideas from at least two OPPOSING parties. In this scenario 66% approval would be darn good simply because there is another side that likely holds the opposite point of view of the sitting political person. See the popular vote from any presidential election to see what I'm talking about.

A pro league is more like a corporation and is a single entity all working towards the same goal, theoretically.

If you were a large shareholder in a publically owned company and 34% felt that management was doing an average job or worse you would be ok with that?

 

[Vtwin]

The fact that 92% of respondents think he is at leastmeeting basic requirements is pretty good, yes. That means that only 8% think that he's failing in his job duties.

As to your example with the doctor, the surgeon would have to successfully complete the surgery in order to meet a "satisfactory" level of performance. Maybe some people think he's a jerk and that his bedside manner is terrible, or maybe someone thought that they wouldn't be in as much pain after the surgery. Regardless, if I go in to have my appendix removed and he removes it successfully and leaves me with no ill effects, then he's done a satisfactory job. Has he gone above and beyond what other surgeons would do? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful.

As to the restaurant example, think of the grade scale in terms of 1-5 stars. On review sites such as Yelp, you can see bar graphs that represent how many people selected each star level. If Goodell were a restaurant, his chart would look something like this...

5 star ++++++++++++ (12)

4 star ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (28)

3 star ++++++++++++++++ (16)

2 star +++ (3)

1 star ++ (2)

Are you telling me that you wouldn't try a restaurant that had a review distribution like that? Give me a break.

I absolutely would notice the large group giving it only three stars and wonder why that was. Whether or not I tried it would be depend on how hungry I was and on how the other restaurants in the area rated.

 

[Doomsday101]

I purposely did not use your political analogy because it is not relevant. The political process is the the melding of ideas from at least two OPPOSING parties. In this scenario 66% approval would be darn good simply because there is another side that likely holds the opposite point of view of the sitting political person. See the popular vote from any presidential election to see what I'm talking about.

A pro league is more like a corporation and is a single entity all working towards the same goal, theoretically.

If you were a large shareholder in a publically owned company and 34% felt that management was doing an average job or worse you would be ok with that?

yes when I have 92% giving me a passing grade and only 8 percent gave him less than passing. Any measurement you want to use, any spin you want to use holds no water and makes no sense what so ever.

 

[Vtwin]

yes when I have 92% giving me a passing grade and only 8 percent gave him less than passing. Any measurement you want to use, any spin you want to use holds no water and makes no sense what so ever.

Sez you...:

I guess it boils down to standards.

You're ok with "passing" and I want better then just "passing".

Maybe it's the effects of that no child left behind thing.

 

[burmafrd]

NO, you are the one going to the extreme. You should be a journalist.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course it is because you don't like the man.

The question asked was how they felt about the job Goodell is doing and the vast majority approve of that job.

Whether or not I like him is immaterial. What is important here is that the poll was done correctly so that the results are meaningful.

The sample size is adequate but it is not known what the question was nor how the players were selected.

I sincerely doubt that the polling was done in random for example.

Do me a favor and argue the point next time.

 

[tyke1doe]

They did not put their name on this so how would he know who graded him which way? Come on, this has more to do with fans not liking him the players seem to have less of an issue with him.

Just want you to know you're owning this discussion.

Thanks for cutting through the bull and seeing this discussion for what it is.

 

[tyke1doe]

Sez you...:

I guess it boils down to standards.

You're ok with "passing" and I want better then just "passing".

Maybe it's the effects of that no child left behind thing.

This isn't an objective, mathematical test.
It's a subjective, interpretative test.

You're dealing with players who are human, who have their individual reasons - realistic or unrealistic, rational or irrational, biased or unbiased - why they may or may not appreciate Goodell.

I think you're trying to assign some "objective" criterion to this poll when polls like this are inherently subjective because they deal with perceptions.

This is not a mathematical, does 2 + 2 = 4 type test.

Therefore, 66 percent approval rate is very, very good.

 

[Vtwin]

This isn't an objective, mathematical test.
It's a subjective, interpretative test.

You're dealing with players who are human, who have their individual reasons - realistic or unrealistic, rational or irrational, biased or unbiased - why they may or may not appreciate Goodell.

I think you're trying to assign some "objective" criterion to this poll when polls like this are inherently subjective because they deal with perceptions.

This is not a mathematical, does 2 + 2 = 4 type test.

Therefore, 66 percent approval rate is very, very good.

No.

What I AM doing is trying to put myself in the place of the subject of the poll.

If a poll of my peers was taken and I received those same results I would wonder why 34% "only" gave me an average or less. I would consider those results to be a shot across my bow.

I think what you and some others are doing is looking at it as an election type of thing (also subjective and based on perceptions) and you have concluded that anything C or above = passing and below = fail. In that scenario 66% is very, very good. This is not that though.

The poster who states the poll is flawed is right on the money. That has really been my point all along. To get anything meaningful from this poll we would need to see the poll itself and know the details of it's distribution. It would also need to be less ambigious, just pass or fail.

This is just ESPN fluff with no real value other then to spawn a discussion forum debate.

 

[tyke1doe]

No.

What I AM doing is trying to put myself in the place of the subject of the poll.

If a poll of my peers was taken and I received those same results I would wonder why 34% "only" gave me an average or less. I would consider those results to be a shot across my bow.

I think what you and some others are doing is looking at it as an election type of thing (also subjective and based on perceptions) and you have concluded that anything C or above = passing and below = fail. In that scenario 66% is very, very good. This is not that though.

The poster who states the poll is flawed is right on the money. That has really been my point all along. To get anything meaningful from this poll we would need to see the poll itself and know the details of it's distribution. It would also need to be less ambigious, just pass or fail.

This is just ESPN fluff with no real value other then to spawn a discussion forum debate.

But since you don't know about the poll, you're making an assumption that it didn't ask the right question or its methodology is wrong.

It would seem to me the burden of proof is on you to prove that the poll is flawed.

Again, I think this emanates more from a hatred or dislike for Goodell than the offering of facts that suggest otherwise.

I think the poll speaks for itself. More players agree with Goodell than disagree.

Now, if you have some, any evidence to the contrary, please offer it so we can evaluate it.

 

[burmafrd]

its clear from his comments that he wants to find a way to make this poll look bad for Goodell. He should be a reporter-they are always trying to find a way to make a story go along with their agenda.