NFLN: Official Review - TO "No force out" call was wrong

[Faerluna]

Mike Pereira just admitted that the call on the TO force out was wrong and the force out should have been called.

 

[badleelee]

That was a no brainer.

 

[Achozen]

You would think we would have gotten the call after they messed up on the same call a week before.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

didn't he score on that posession anyway? it did not have bearing on the outcome of the game.

 

[percyhoward]

Mike Pereira just admitted that the call on the TO force out was wrong and the force out should have been called.

For those who don't get NFLN, that's rare for him to say an official actually made the wrong call.

 

[BigDFan5]

How about the Moss interference? no word on that i bet LOL

 

[SultanOfSix]

For those who don't get NFLN, that's rare for him to say an official actually made the wrong call.

LOL. That's because they rarely every show something where the officials make the wrong call. They show plays where the official did an outstanding job and actually made the correct call and explain why it was correct.

 

[Hoofbite]

didn't he score on that posession anyway? it did not have bearing on the outcome of the game.

thats not the point. The point is, they missed a force out the week before and then they missed it again this week.

It doesn't matter if it had no impact on the game, its the fact that the officials cannot get easy calls right that is the problem.

 

[Hoofbite]

For those who don't get NFLN, that's rare for him to say an official actually made the wrong call.

I watch it over at NFL.com and rarely do they even ask about a play where the officials rule can be questioned. Usually its just gimmes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wish they would have a half hour show with Mike Pereira just covering the Cowboy calls this year. At the rate they are going, that show will need to be an hour show by seasons end.

 

[AdamJT13]

Mike Pereira just admitted that the call on the TO force out was wrong and the force out should have been called.

I'm guessing the refs knew it was a force-out, but the rules don't let them do anything about it. The official who made the call said he got both feet down, so there was no reason to call a force-out. Once they went to replay, all that mattered was whether he got both feet down, and he didn't.

It's a flaw in the rules, or at least in the method of officiating. The NFL should have the officials call ATTEMPTED force-outs even when they rule that the receiver got both feet down. Then it -- correctly -- wouldn't matter if he did get both feet down, because it would be a force-out anyway.

 

[Faerluna]

I'm guessing the refs knew it was a force-out, but the rules don't let them do anything about it. The official who made the call said he got both feet down, so there was no reason to call a force-out. Once they went to replay, all that mattered was whether he got both feet down, and he didn't.

It's a flaw in the rules, or at least in the method of officiating. The NFL should have the officials call ATTEMPTED force-outs even when they rule that the receiver got both feet down. Then it -- correctly -- wouldn't matter if he did get both feet down, because it would be a force-out anyway.

That's almost verbatim what he said, actually. The refs will need to call the force-out if that's what it appears to be, and the subsequent review will show if both feet were in.

 

[iceberg]

I'm guessing the refs knew it was a force-out, but the rules don't let them do anything about it. The official who made the call said he got both feet down, so there was no reason to call a force-out. Once they went to replay, all that mattered was whether he got both feet down, and he didn't.

It's a flaw in the rules, or at least in the method of officiating. The NFL should have the officials call ATTEMPTED force-outs even when they rule that the receiver got both feet down. Then it -- correctly -- wouldn't matter if he did get both feet down, because it would be a force-out anyway.

question for you adam - since they called for a review on getting his feet in, they really "can't" just review the whole play, can they? if not, what if *we* called for a ruling on a push out?

is that even reviewable? are there situations where you have to review the review to get to the bottom of a play?

 

[Jarv]

That pass interference they called on Watkins in the 3rd quarter against Moss was offensive interference, not defensive. They same call they made against Fasano in the earlier as offensive interference earlier in the game.

 

[Kilyin]

question for you adam - since they called for a review on getting his feet in, they really "can't" just review the whole play, can they? if not, what if *we* called for a ruling on a push out?

is that even reviewable? are there situations where you have to review the review to get to the bottom of a play?

if it isn't ruled a force out on the field, it can't be reviewed.

 

[AdamJT13]

question for you adam - since they called for a review on getting his feet in, they really "can't" just review the whole play, can they? if not, what if *we* called for a ruling on a push out?

is that even reviewable? are there situations where you have to review the review to get to the bottom of a play?

On any play that is reviewed, the referee reviews the entire play and can overturn anything that is reviewable. A force-out (or non-force-out) is not a reviewable part of the play.

 

[AdamJT13]

The refs will need to call the force-out if that's what it appears to be, and the subsequent review will show if both feet were in.

Did Pereira say that? I've never seen an NFL official rule both a completion (both feet in) and a force-out. If he's telling them to do that, then they're just not doing their jobs.

And even if it's not reviewable, the referee (the head official) should be able to ask the official who made the call whether there was a push-out on the play if the defense challenges the catch.

 

[Faerluna]

Did Pereira say that? I've never seen an NFL official rule both a completion (both feet in) and a force-out. If he's telling them to do that, then they're just not doing their jobs.

And even if it's not reviewable, the referee (the head official) should be able to ask the official who made the call whether there was a push-out on the play if the defense challenges the catch.

He basically said that's what they would do going forward. He also said that he, personally, doesn't like the force-out rule.

 

[AdamJT13]

He basically said that's what they would do going forward.

Well it's about time.

He also said that he, personally, doesn't like the force-out rule.

Wide receiver jumps up -- defensive back catches him, carries him to the sideline and drops him out of bounds.

Incomplete pass, the receiver didn't get his feet down inbounds.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Wide receiver jumps up -- defensive back catches him, carries him to the sideline and drops him out of bounds.

Incomplete pass, the receiver didn't get his feet down inbounds.