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[WoodysGirl]

If you're a glutton for punishment.

 

[KJJ]

Great, now another 10 plus pages arguing Dez's catch. lol

 

[WoodysGirl]

Great, now another 10 plus pages arguing Dez's catch. lol

You're welcome to scroll and ignore..

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

spoiler alert......right when we were poised to put em away, Murray fumbles in the 3rd quarter

 

[perrykemp]

I watched the game earlier this week and spent a lot of time reviewing it. A few random thoughts that occurred to me this time around:

• When Cobb fumbled the kick return in the 2nd half, had the Cowboys recovered it the game probably would have been over. Watching it I would have guessed the Cowboys had a 90% of coming up with it. It's very surprising Quarless came up with it at the bottom of the pile. I'd love to see what exactly happened in that pile.
• When Romo threw the ball he was magnificent. Downside is he didn't throw it that much.
• Other than the fumble, Murray was a stud.
• Both Clay Matthews and Micah Hyde went the extra effort to injure Romo on various plays. Matthews was blatant about it, however, I thought the Hyde take-down was almost as bad
• This game is example #1 of why Scandrick isn't a top 10 CB (as many seem to think on this board). He was responsible for Cobb almost all game and he just wasn't athletic enough to cover Cobb. Scandrick was constantly trailing Cobb despite his best efforts to keep close to him
• Frederick dominated the Packer defenders across from him in both pass and run blocking
• It was clear the Packers viewed Leary as the weakest link -- they keep lining up their pass rushers directly across from him. In particular Leary had problems with Peppers
• Nick Hayden was on the field way too much
• The Dan Bailey missed FG at the end of the 1st half (and the Packers marching down with 30 seconds and kicking their own) was a big of a deal as the Murray Fumble. It's interesting that Dan Bailey has received almost no off-season venon here on CZ for the part he played in the Cowboys loss to Green Bay.
• Church was the only defender able to consistently bring Lacey down and it often did it by himself
• Davonte Adams looked like a playground bully taking candy from kids on many of his catches. He literally threw Moore to the ground on one key play
• Its very much of a game of inches -- a number of the passes Rodgers completed where extraordinarily difficult passes, and he fit them into extremely small windows (the Richard Rodgers TE for example). I find it difficult to fault the secondary on a number of those. For the most part the pass rush wasn't there
• If Carr can play as well as he did against Jordy Nelson (and Megatron) this coming season, he'll almost be worth what he is being paid.
• Yes it was a catch.
• Lastly -- for the first time all season, the Packers were on the ropes at Lambeau and it felt to everybody watching and I'm sure to the players themselves that the Cowboys momentum was picking up and the Packers were going to lose. Ultimately, the Murray fumble was the turning point. From that point on, momentum swung the other way.

 

[KJJ]

spoiler alert......right when we were poised to put em away, Murray fumbles in the 3rd quarter

The way Rodgers was picking the defense apart in the second half the Cowboys were far from putting the Packers away in the third quarter. Hard to maintain even a sizable lead with no pass rush vs an elite QB.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

I watched the game earlier this week and spent a lot of time reviewing it. A few random thoughts that occurred to me this time around:

• When Cobb fumbled the kick return in the 2nd half, had the Cowboys recovered it the game probably would have been over. Watching it I would have guessed the Cowboys had a 90% of coming up with it. It's very surprising Quarless came up with it at the bottom of the pile. I'd love to see what exactly happened in that pile.
• When Romo threw the ball he was magnificent. Downside is he didn't throw it that much.
• Other than the fumble, Murray was a stud.
• Both Clay Matthews and Micah Hyde went the extra effort to injure Romo on various plays. Matthews was blatant about it, however, I thought the Hyde take-down was almost as bad
• This game is example #1 of why Scandrick isn't a top 10 CB (as many seem to think on this board). He was responsible for Cobb almost all game and he just wasn't athletic enough to cover Cobb. Scandrick was constantly trailing Cobb despite his best efforts to keep close to him
• Frederick dominated the Packer defenders across from him in both pass and run blocking
• It was clear the Packers viewed Leary as the weakest link -- they keep lining up their pass rushers directly across from him. In particular Leary had problems with Peppers
• Nick Hayden was on the field way too much
• The Dan Bailey missed FG at the end of the 1st half (and the Packers marching down with 30 seconds and kicking their own) was a big of a deal as the Murray Fumble. It's interesting that Dan Bailey has received almost no off-season venon here on CZ for the part he played in the Cowboys loss to Green Bay.
• Church was the only defender able to consistently bring Lacey down and it often did it by himself
• Davonte Adams looked like a playground bully taking candy from kids on many of his catches. He literally threw Moore to the ground on one key play
• Its very much of a game of inches -- a number of the passes Rodgers completed where extraordinarily difficult passes, and he fit them into extremely small windows (the Richard Rodgers TE for example). I find it difficult to fault the secondary on a number of those. For the most part the pass rush wasn't there
• If Carr can play as well as he did against Jordy Nelson (and Megatron) this coming season, he'll almost be worth what he is being paid.
• Yes it was a catch.
• Lastly -- for the first time all season, the Packers were on the ropes at Lambeau and it felt to everybody watching and I'm sure to the players themselves that the Cowboys momentum was picking up and the Packers were going to lose. Ultimately, the Murray fumble was the turning point. From that point on, momentum swung the other way.

And it was stated that Romo was "the sorest he's been all season" because of how many licks he got in the Detroit game. Despite this, he was still 19/23 even though many plays he held onto the ball entirely too long.

Dan Bailey also missed a chip shot in the Lions game, which killed momentum after our defense came up with a turnover and gave the ball to the offense in Detroit territory at the 20.

Carr's poor first 75% of the season performance I believe was truly due to his mother passing. He was the only CB that showed up in the Packers game. Sterling Moore was terrible and Scandrick was almost equally as bad. On the 3rd and 11 play, all scandrick has to do is turn the hell around and the offense would have had one more shot at a game winning drive.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I watched the game earlier this week and spent a lot of time reviewing it. A few random thoughts that occurred to me this time around:

• When Cobb fumbled the kick return in the 2nd half, had the Cowboys recovered it the game probably would have been over. Watching it I would have guessed the Cowboys had a 90% of coming up with it. It's very surprising Quarless came up with it at the bottom of the pile. I'd love to see what exactly happened in that pile.
• When Romo threw the ball he was magnificent. Downside is he didn't throw it that much.
• Other than the fumble, Murray was a stud.
• Both Clay Matthews and Micah Hyde went the extra effort to injure Romo on various plays. Matthews was blatant about it, however, I thought the Hyde take-down was almost as bad
• This game is example #1 of why Scandrick isn't a top 10 CB (as many seem to think on this board). He was responsible for Cobb almost all game and he just wasn't athletic enough to cover Cobb. Scandrick was constantly trailing Cobb despite his best efforts to keep close to him
• Frederick dominated the Packer defenders across from him in both pass and run blocking
• It was clear the Packers viewed Leary as the weakest link -- they keep lining up their pass rushers directly across from him. In particular Leary had problems with Peppers
• Nick Hayden was on the field way too much
• The Dan Bailey missed FG at the end of the 1st half (and the Packers marching down with 30 seconds and kicking their own) was a big of a deal as the Murray Fumble. It's interesting that Dan Bailey has received almost no off-season venon here on CZ for the part he played in the Cowboys loss to Green Bay.
• Church was the only defender able to consistently bring Lacey down and it often did it by himself
• Davonte Adams looked like a playground bully taking candy from kids on many of his catches. He literally threw Moore to the ground on one key play
• Its very much of a game of inches -- a number of the passes Rodgers completed where extraordinarily difficult passes, and he fit them into extremely small windows (the Richard Rodgers TE for example). I find it difficult to fault the secondary on a number of those. For the most part the pass rush wasn't there
• If Carr can play as well as he did against Jordy Nelson (and Megatron) this coming season, he'll almost be worth what he is being paid.
• Yes it was a catch.
• Lastly -- for the first time all season, the Packers were on the ropes at Lambeau and it felt to everybody watching and I'm sure to the players themselves that the Cowboys momentum was picking up and the Packers were going to lose. Ultimately, the Murray fumble was the turning point. From that point on, momentum swung the other way.

Thanks for that because I missed the replay. Everything you said was just as I remembered except for the part of OScan being handled. But I'm team 32 because he comes to play every game day. He gives us what he's got. Our problem was the Dline couldn't get to a one legged QB.

That won't be a problem this year

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My man Ken Bishop had a good game.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

The way Rodgers was picking the defense apart in the second half the Cowboys were far from putting the Packers away in the third quarter. Hard to maintain even a sizable lead with no pass rush vs an elite QB.

that is very true but I'm still bitter

 

[AsthmaField]

• Lastly -- for the first time all season, the Packers were on the ropes at Lambeau and it felt to everybody watching and I'm sure to the players themselves that the Cowboys momentum was picking up and the Packers were going to lose. Ultimately, the Murray fumble was the turning point. From that point on, momentum swung the other way.

From watching it live until today I felt like the Murray fumble was huge. It is a shame that it gets lost in the Murray arguments between Murray's supporters and those who don't mind him leaving... because the swing in momentum from Murray going all the way for a Dallas TD to the Packers getting the unexpected reprieve of him coughing that ball up was monumental.

I have held the opinion that GB and their home crowd wouldn't have recovered from a Dallas TD at that point and nothing has made me change my mind on that. Dez catch or not... that was the dagger that would have put the Packers away and it was dropped on that famous frozen tundra there in Lambeau.

To the people who are so familiar with the fickle nature of momentum and emotion that is so vital to NFL outcomes... we know how crushing that fumble was. We know that it changed everything.

 

[Aven8]

Well I'm depressed again after reading all this. That close. And GB the next week dominated the Hawks but couldn't score td's. What could have been.

Oh well, on to 2015!

 

[WillieBeamen]

If any Cowboys fans were upset that we selected Byron Jones in the first round, watch this game and you"ll see why. Our corners were horrible. With that said, even though wr had horrid secondary play, Murray fumbled, and Bailey missed another FG, we shouldve still won that game. Hanna not recovering that onsides was the play that cost us the most imo.

 

[Staubacher]

Great, now another 10 plus pages arguing Dez's catch. lol

Watch with a new eye and find a way to pin it on Romo

 

[hornitosmonster]

Watching Murray fumble and the refs mess up the call will just make me angry

 

[DandyDon1722]

I watched the game earlier this week and spent a lot of time reviewing it. A few random thoughts that occurred to me this time around:

• When Cobb fumbled the kick return in the 2nd half, had the Cowboys recovered it the game probably would have been over. Watching it I would have guessed the Cowboys had a 90% of coming up with it. It's very surprising Quarless came up with it at the bottom of the pile. I'd love to see what exactly happened in that pile.
• When Romo threw the ball he was magnificent. Downside is he didn't throw it that much.
• Other than the fumble, Murray was a stud.
• Both Clay Matthews and Micah Hyde went the extra effort to injure Romo on various plays. Matthews was blatant about it, however, I thought the Hyde take-down was almost as bad
• This game is example #1 of why Scandrick isn't a top 10 CB (as many seem to think on this board). He was responsible for Cobb almost all game and he just wasn't athletic enough to cover Cobb. Scandrick was constantly trailing Cobb despite his best efforts to keep close to him
• Frederick dominated the Packer defenders across from him in both pass and run blocking
• It was clear the Packers viewed Leary as the weakest link -- they keep lining up their pass rushers directly across from him. In particular Leary had problems with Peppers
• Nick Hayden was on the field way too much
• The Dan Bailey missed FG at the end of the 1st half (and the Packers marching down with 30 seconds and kicking their own) was a big of a deal as the Murray Fumble. It's interesting that Dan Bailey has received almost no off-season venon here on CZ for the part he played in the Cowboys loss to Green Bay.
• Church was the only defender able to consistently bring Lacey down and it often did it by himself
• Davonte Adams looked like a playground bully taking candy from kids on many of his catches. He literally threw Moore to the ground on one key play
• Its very much of a game of inches -- a number of the passes Rodgers completed where extraordinarily difficult passes, and he fit them into extremely small windows (the Richard Rodgers TE for example). I find it difficult to fault the secondary on a number of those. For the most part the pass rush wasn't there
• If Carr can play as well as he did against Jordy Nelson (and Megatron) this coming season, he'll almost be worth what he is being paid.
• Yes it was a catch.
• Lastly -- for the first time all season, the Packers were on the ropes at Lambeau and it felt to everybody watching and I'm sure to the players themselves that the Cowboys momentum was picking up and the Packers were going to lose. Ultimately, the Murray fumble was the turning point. From that point on, momentum swung the other way.

Perry that was a really great write up and I agree with a lot of it. For example--

* Although I like Scandrick's tenacity and chippiness, I have never considered him a top ten corner. I think he's our best corner and probably in the top 25% in the league which should be good enough for us. He needs some help.

* Romo was absolutely money the whole game. It is clear he has greatly improved on indiscriminate throws but the price for that is he take a few more sacks than he should. There were a couple of instances he probably should've thrown the ball away but then he has made such miraculous plays at times it has to be hard for him to do.

* The Bailey miss was such a shock and yes - it was big.

* Yes it was clear they were going after Leary.

* Terrance Williams was incredible the entire post season.

Yes it was a brutal game to lose but a game we can build on. If the running game is back again this year we'll be back in that game next year.

 

[Staubacher]

The failure to pick up the kickoff fumble was the biggest play IMO. All the prior mistakes would have been washed away. We just rammed it down their throats for a 21-13 lead they were on their knees gasping for air. We would have made it 28-13 and effectively TKOd them.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The failure to pick up the kickoff fumble was the biggest play IMO. All the prior mistakes would have been washed away. We just rammed it down their throats for a 21-13 lead they were on their knees gasping for air. We would have made it 28-13 and effectively TKOd them.

These are the types of plays you have to make on the road in a playoff game. When you're playing an equal opponent on the road, securing that fumble on the kickoff and Murray not laying the ball on the ground are obviously game-changers. Either of those plays go the Cowboys way, it's very likely the Cowboys win. If both go in their favor, it's a definite win. Stinks...the game was there and they let it literally slip thru their fingers.

 

[KJJ]

Watch with a new eye and find a way to pin it on Romo

You're full of it if you think I would find a way to pin that game on Romo. Knock off the agenda it's getting old.

 

[perrykemp]

The failure to pick up the kickoff fumble was the biggest play IM

Yes, I agree that had the Cowboys recovered Cobb's fumble on the kick-return it would have been likely over, however, when it comes down to it fumble recoveries, the craziness and mystery of what happens inside of the big piles that occur after a fumble, etc basically can be chalked to a lot of random factors, luck, and being in the right place at the right time.

In summary, the fumble recovery would have maybe sealed the victory, however, you can't exactly fault anybody not recovering it, so it ends up as the third most critical play of the game for me after the Murray Fumble, and the Bailey missed FG. (Not counting the Dez non-catch).