Twitter: NFLPA files Greg Hardy appeal; asks for neutral arbitrator

[Longboysfan]

Wait they had hands on proof it was done and yet still investigating with no conclusion. But Hardy a dismissed criminal charge with no testimony from the victim and we are to expect their investigations are on the up and up....

Of course...
Rules are - Player mucks up off field - get rid of him.
Player / Team cheats on field: Sweep it under the carpet.

 

[burmafrd]

Sorry but it's not semantics.

If someone says "they should only punish someone found guilty in court" then that means you can't punish Ray Rice. Now like I said, I don't subscribe to that statement that the league should only punish individuals found guilty but that is the logical interpretation of that statement.

Well considering you erroneously thought he pled nolo whereas I knew he pled not guilty, sure seems that I understand it better than you.

you sound like a defense attorney that would be quite happy to get a pedophile off so that he can abuse more children.
or a District attorney that has no problem with innocent people in jail if it makes him look good.

 

[Stryker44]

Goddell didn't bend on the cap penalties. Doubtful he will bend on this.

 

[Galian Beast]

I hate the timing involved here.

Peterson filed a grievance in November, and it took about three months.

Not being able to know before the draft really hurt us. I'm not sure why it took the NFL so long to do its investigation and then come to a decision.

 

[TheDude]

you sound like a defense attorney that would be quite happy to get a pedophile off so that he can abuse more children.
or a District attorney that has no problem with innocent people in jail if it makes him look good.

Wow. Harsh

 

[Rogah]

you sound like a defense attorney that would be quite happy to get a pedophile off so that he can abuse more children.

I am the one who says Hardy should be punished, you're the one saying he shouldn't.

Saying that equates to me defending pedophiles is a despicable comment, even by your already rock bottom low standards.

BTW, we're still waiting for you to man up and admit you were wrong when you said Ray Rice pled guilty.

 

[Rogah]

Wow. Harsh

He's just being pissy because he made an erroneous statement and I called him out on it.

 

[aikemirv]

I don't know many of the details here but it sounds like he probably should be punished but my issue is that he has already been out 17 games so saying he should serve a multi-game suspension after that makes little sense to me. It should be time served. Same applies to Peterson.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

It's the "this is for getting your name in the news in any negative light whatsoever, and, oh, because you're a Dallas Cowboy now" suspension.

CSI NFL now determines guilt or innocence based on their own guidelines.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

I am the one who says Hardy should be punished, you're the one saying he shouldn't.

Saying that equates to me defending pedophiles is a despicable comment, even by your already rock bottom low standards.

BTW, we're still waiting for you to man up and admit you were wrong when you said Ray Rice pled guilty.

Yeah we'll honestly it doesn't matter what you say because the judicial system already had their say and all charges were dropped.

Also, Ray Rice admitted to hitting his fiancé before the actual video came out.

 

[burmafrd]

He's just being pissy because he made an erroneous statement and I called him out on it.

we have lost count of yours. I said he pleaded guilty and only in the world of lawyers and you is that not correct. to the other 99% of REAL people he admitted guilt

 

[Rogah]

we have lost count of yours. I said he pleaded guilty and only in the world of lawyers and you is that not correct. to the other 99% of REAL people he admitted guilt

Sad how you can't even admit you made an honest mistake.

I never said he wasn't guilty, all I said was that he pleaded not guilty. Sorry, but I was right and you were wrong.

"ray rice pleaded guilty." - burmafrd, Post 47. Maybe you should take the advice of your own avatar.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry but it's not semantics.

If someone says "they should only punish someone found guilty in court" then that means you can't punish Ray Rice. Now like I said, I don't subscribe to that statement that the league should only punish individuals found guilty but that is the logical interpretation of that statement.

Well considering you erroneously thought he pled nolo whereas I knew he pled not guilty, sure seems that I understand it better than you.

So you double down on the handwave one more time. I admitted my mistake regarding NJ as opposed to TX law and it hasn't detracted from my overall point. NJ allows rich people to pay for their own rehab on a first offense. I'm not impressed.

The language of the Tagliabue CBA used to read about entering a plea deal or a conviction for a crime and it solves your little conundrum over the nametag on the conditional, intermediate plea.

 

[Rogah]

So you double down on the handwave one more time. I admitted my mistake regarding NJ as opposed to TX law and it hasn't detracted from my overall point. NJ allows rich people to pay for their own rehab on a first offense. I'm not impressed.

Nothing wrong with making an honest mistake, but you look silly making mistakes and then telling the person who was right that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

The language of the Tagliabue CBA used to read about entering a plea deal or a conviction for a crime and it solves your little conundrum over the nametag on the conditional, intermediate plea.

Your arguing in circles. Please allow me to ask you one very simple question:

With regards to alleged incidents of domestic violence, do you think the NFL should only be able to discipline players found guilty in a court of law, or do you think they should be able to take other factors into consideration?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your arguing in circles. Please allow me to ask you one very simple question:

With regards to alleged incidents of domestic violence, do you think the NFL should only be able to discipline players found guilty in a court of law, or do you think they should be able to take other factors into consideration?

Begging the question is not making an argument. I reject the premise of your question as I already told you what the CBA previously said and that is what legally dictates what the NFL can and cannot do. We both know that he was ordered to go on probation and counseling by the NJ legal system.

I will await you once again for your hand-waving at the intermediate plea.

 

[Rogah]

Begging the question is not making an argument.

I wasn't trying to make an argument. I am trying to understand where you stand because, quite honestly, I am not even sure what our disagreement here is.

I reject the premise of your question as I already told you what the CBA previously said and that is what legally dictates what the NFL can and cannot do.

I am not talking about the old CBA, the new CBA, or any of the laws of our land. I am asking your opinion which, for some reason, you refuse to give.

My question had no premise other than the notion that we are talking about domestic violence incidents and not, for example, testing positive for a banned substance.

You refuse to concisely articulate your position so I honestly don't know what our disagreement is. I am of the opinion that the league should be able to punish players (like Ray Rice) even if they were never found guilty in a court of law. After I informed you of your mistake where you thought he pleaded nolo, it sure sounds like you agree with me so I really can't understand what you are arguing about here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wasn't trying to make an argument. I am trying to understand where you stand because, quite honestly, I am not even sure what our disagreement here is.
I am not talking about the old CBA, the new CBA, or any of the laws of our land. I am asking your opinion which, for some reason, you refuse to give.

My question had no premise other than the notion that we are talking about domestic violence incidents and not, for example, testing positive for a banned substance.

You refuse to intelligently articulate your position so I honestly don't know what our disagreement is. I am of the opinion that the league should be able to punish players (like Ray Rice) even if they were never found guilty in a court of law. After I informed you of your mistake where you thought he pleaded nolo, it sure sounds like you agree with me so I really can't understand what you are arguing about here.

I think Tagliabue's system under the old CBA that went by rule of law was the better way.

 

[Rogah]

I think Tagliabue's system under the old CBA that went by rule of law was the better way.

Before I respond, I want to make sure I am interpreting your comments correctly. This statement tells me that you feel that only players found guilty in a criminal court of law should be subject to NFL discipline. (Again, we are talking about personal conduct, not things like prohibited substances).

Please let me know if I am interpreting your statement correctly.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Before I respond, I want to make sure I am interpreting your comments correctly. This statement tells me that you feel that only players found guilty in a criminal court of law should be subject to NFL discipline. (Again, we are talking about personal conduct, not things like prohibited substances).

Please let me know if I am interpreting your statement correctly.

I already told you what the old system said and it solved your conundrum. Have you caught up now?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you double down on the handwave one more time. I admitted my mistake regarding NJ as opposed to TX law and it hasn't detracted from my overall point. NJ allows rich people to pay for their own rehab on a first offense. I'm not impressed.

The language of the Tagliabue CBA used to read about entering a plea deal or a conviction for a crime and it solves your little conundrum over the nametag on the conditional, intermediate plea.