NFLPA leaning toward filing Hardy appeal

[Rogah]

Yeah, that's exactly how I see it too. It's more serious in my opinion when a player blatantly cheated to gain an advantage on the field, directly affecting the integrity of the game.

Yeah, 1 PSI is way more serious than beating up a woman.

Wait, whuhuhuhuh?????

 

[Rogah]

I would say Hardy has a really compelling reason..


Case was thrown out, woman was on drugs, all the witnesses back his claims.

Hardy should not be suspended for a game because there is nothing to suspend him for other than an allegation.

An allegation, and 7 pictures of a bruised and battered victim of domestic violence.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, 1 PSI is way more serious than beating up a woman.

Wait, whuhuhuhuh?????

Cheating is cheating. You can lie to yourself all day long about it. You don't get to lie to me about it.

I see it for what it is. A privileged player getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Busted!

 

[Stash]

An allegation, and 7 pictures of a bruised and battered victim of domestic violence.

According to you. For all anyone knows, she did that during her drug-induced tantrums, like the broken toenail she probably got from kicking his car a few nights earlier.

 

[Jarv]

I would say Hardy has a really compelling reason..


Case was thrown out, woman was on drugs, all the witnesses back his claims.

Hardy should not be suspended for a game because there is nothing to suspend him for other than an allegation.

This ^^^^^^^.

 

[JoeKing]

The cases are wildly different. One guy was found to be "generally aware" that "it is more probable than not" that an equipment violation was taking place. The other guy beat the crap out of a woman and threatened to kill her (it's terrifying how many people in this forum are comfortable with that behavior because he is now a Cowboy).

However, the basis of their respective appeals (if Hardy files) are amazingly similar. They each speak to the process, fairness and precedent. They also each rely heavily on Adrian Peterson.

The one time allegations against Hardy were never that he "beat the crap out of a woman". Your disingenuous description of the allegations is growing very old. The pictures that you love to point out to support your opinion are only described to depict some redness and scratches. Surely a big dude like Hardy would have done more damage to his dainty GF had he actually "beat the crap" out of her. It's more likely the photos, which were provided by her(not the police) depict self inflicted anomalies to her skin... an opinion shared by the man placed in charged of prosecuting Hardy in the jury trial that ultimately never took place. The GF's lack of cooperation was the reason given for the dropped charges but the pitiful lack of evidence to support the charges was "the straw that broke the camels back", to use the words of DA Murray. You Rogah, need to man up to the real facts in the case that exonerated our man Hardy and immediately cease and desist impugning his character.

 

[Nightman]

Yeah, 1 PSI is way more serious than beating up a woman.

Wait, whuhuhuhuh?????

OScan got 4 games for popping a Molly on vacation in Mexico in April.

Brady got off easy for cheating in the AFCCG and destroying evidence. Brady should have been suspended for the SB.

 

[Rogah]

Cheating is cheating. You can lie to yourself all day long about it. You don't get to lie to me about it.

If "Cheating is cheating" then why did one team get a letter of warning for an identical infraction? Why do the Falcons lost a 5th rounder for their cheating?

 

[Rogah]

According to you. For all anyone knows, she did that during her drug-induced tantrums, like the broken toenail she probably got from kicking his car a few nights earlier.

He beat her up. Everyone outside this forum knows it. He should be a man and accept his punishment.

(Just applying the same logic I see people talk about with Brady)

 

[Rogah]

The one time allegations against Hardy were never that he "beat the crap out of a woman". Your disingenuous description of the allegations is growing very old. The pictures that you love to point out to support your opinion are only described to depict some redness and scratches. Surely a big dude like Hardy would have done more damage to his dainty GF had he actually "beat the crap" out of her. It's more likely the photos, which were provided by her(not the police) depict self inflicted anomalies to her skin... an opinion shared by the man placed in charged of prosecuting Hardy in the jury trial that ultimately never took place. The GF's lack of cooperation was the reason given for the dropped charges but the pitiful lack of evidence to support the charges was "the straw that broke the camels back", to use the words of DA Murray. You Rogah, need to man up to the real facts in the case that exonerated our man Hardy and immediately cease and desist impugning his character.

The real facts are he beat her up and threatened to kill her. The one trial he had to completion had him found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a far higher standard than "more probable than not".

 

[Stash]

He beat her up. Everyone outside this forum knows it. He should be a man and accept his punishment.

(Just applying the same logic I see people talk about with Brady)

Yeah, because you would like to believe that they're the same thing.

(Hint: They're not!)

 

[MeTed]

An allegation, and 7 pictures of a bruised and battered victim of domestic violence.

 

[Kevinicus]

Come on everyone...join in with me (Edit: And MeTed too).

 

[JoeKing]

The real facts are he beat her up and threatened to kill her. The one trial he had to completion had him found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a far higher standard than "more probable than not".

Stop it Rogah. Don't ignore what I just put in your face and pretend it did not happen. Hardy isn't at training camp a free man today because the justice system failed... quite the contrary. The District Attorney dropped the charges because the case against Hardy was too weak to uphold. The one trail we had to completion was a farce of expedient convenience and always intended to be corrected at the jury trail... we didn't even get that far.

 

[blindzebra]

Curious...if you repeat the same thing over and over in multiple threads isn't that spamming? If you keep repeating things that have no basis in fact and have been shown to be a lie isn't that spreading false rumors? Are these things not against forum rules?

 

[TonyS]

So...hate to interrupt, but did the NFLPA decide to appeal to the court system?

 

[JoeKing]

So...hate to interrupt, but did the NFLPA decide to appeal to the court system?

The closed thing to a decision on the matter that's has been reported so far is the NFLP is "leaning" in that direction.

 

[jrumann59]

The other guy beat the crap out of a woman and threatened to kill her (it's terrifying how many people in this forum are comfortable with that behavior because he is now a Cowboy).

No that is not it. Most people are torn but most do not let their prejudgement over ride the fact that he was not prosecuted. Could he have done it, yeah, could she be lying, yeah, could he have paid her off, sure, is it possible her lawyer told her she could end up in jail for false testimony. All of that is possible but all of that is unproven. Your opinion which you are entitled to does not make it fact unless of course you were part of Hardy's legal team the negotiated and alleged settlement. Until i hear otherwise I reserve judgement, I used to patrol military bases and I answered a lot of DV calls while a majority were justified I would say about 30% were not. Until he is found guilty he is not guilty.

 

[jrumann59]

The real facts are he beat her up and threatened to kill her. The one trial he had to completion had him found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a far higher standard than "more probable than not".

So if I am convicted on crime and i appeal and win on appeal I am still guilty. Glad you are not running the country.

 

[Idgit]

The one time allegations against Hardy were never that he "beat the crap out of a woman". Your disingenuous description of the allegations is growing very old. The pictures that you love to point out to support your opinion are only described to depict some redness and scratches. Surely a big dude like Hardy would have done more damage to his dainty GF had he actually "beat the crap" out of her. It's more likely the photos, which were provided by her(not the police) depict self inflicted anomalies to her skin... an opinion shared by the man placed in charged of prosecuting Hardy in the jury trial that ultimately never took place. The GF's lack of cooperation was the reason given for the dropped charges but the pitiful lack of evidence to support the charges was "the straw that broke the camels back", to use the words of DA Murray. You Rogah, need to man up to the real facts in the case that exonerated our man Hardy and immediately cease and desist impugning his character.

Rogah's on his own with his interpretation, but the team's been pretty clear in all of their public comments on the subject that Hardy understands that he did something wrong in the incident. I don't believe for a second that he's innocent of anything.

I believe that it was a really, really dysfunctional situation where she was abusing substances and abusive and he responded in kind, probably including using threats to try to get her to leave. I believe when things settled down, both sides realized they'd behaved poorly...abusively, and they reconciled with a settlement that was in everybody's best interests. I believe there wasn't enough to continue to prosecute, and that some of what she said at the time of the police report was later seen to likely be inaccurate which made her entire testimony suspect.

I also think Hardy's a nut who's fairly unstable which is part of what makes him such a good football player. I think he's probably not all that bad a guy, and he's probably a good teammate and an ok risk for a long-term signing. But it's clear from how he's behaved and how the club has handled his offseason that he was responsible for some wrongdoing in this incident. From a purely football perspective, since it's why he was available to come to Dallas, there's a good and bad side to that that we just have to live with.