NFLPA leaning toward filing Hardy appeal

[theogt]

I find it very hard to believe they would do it without his approval.

The NFLPA is charged with protecting the interests of all players, not just Greg Hardy. If they feel that not filing an appeal would be detrimental the players as a whole (e.g., by allowing bad precedent to be set), they certainly should feel obligated to appeal.

 

[Rogah]

The NFLPA is charged with protecting the interests of all players, not just Greg Hardy.

In a case like this, they are obligated to act in Hardy's best interest. They cannot sacrifice one guy against his will.

 

[Rogah]

Rogah still going on about the pictures, in spite of the fact that police listed her injuries as minor in the report and she declined medical attention.

Like a dog with a bone, or a pony with one trick.

It's almost like all the people going on and on about Tom Brady's phone, in spite of the fact that the laws of physics prove there was no tampering with the balls that night.

 

[JoeKing]

It's almost like all the people going on and on about Tom Brady's phone, in spite of the fact that the laws of physics prove there was no tampering with the balls that night.

At this point it's no longer about tampering with balls. It's about Brady's lack of cooperation. And this thread isn't about Brady at all.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not sure of the accuracy of this information. As it stands now his suspension starts Sept 4 and is over after the game on Oct 4. He needs to file this thing pretty quick if he is going to get an injunction to play while the court is addressing his case.

I think an injunction is out of play at this point.

Hardy will probably wait until the Aug 13th contempt of court hearing in the Peterson case.

Hardy's case was noted in that motion and the League may be forced to act on Hardy as well.

If all that fails, he may just take the 4 games and be done with it. Let Brady go to Supreme Court.

 

[Kevinicus]

The NFLPA conducts the legal maneuverings, but I think the decision is his to make.

I would bet anything that Hardy is conflicted; he knows he would win, but he also risks looking worse in the public eye if those pictures ever got out. The one might not be worth the other.

What would an appeal have to do with any release of pictures? There is no reason the two would be related.

 

[theogt]

In a case like this, they are obligated to act in Hardy's best interest. They cannot sacrifice one guy against his will.

Aaaaaand you just made that up out of thin air.

 

[Kaiser]

Rogah still going on about the pictures, in spite of the fact that police listed her injuries as minor in the report and she declined medical attention.

Like a dog with a bone, or a pony with one trick.

Or a stuttering teenager caught in a lie.

Those pictures were shown at the bench trial and reporters in attendance described them as showing "redness" and "scratches". This is the recap of the reporters attending the bench trial, which covers a dozen things Rogah knows but won't admit -

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article9140615.html#.U8VF4agoyTw

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yeah, that was kind of the joke.

Hopefully, it's taken that way and not that I'm making light of domestic violence, because I'm not !

Well it's fine because Hardy didn't beat a women

 

[dogunwo]

The NFLPA conducts the legal maneuverings, but I think the decision is his to make.

I would bet anything that Hardy is conflicted; he knows he would win, but he also risks looking worse in the public eye if those pictures ever got out. The one might not be worth the other.

Outside of a lot of Cowboys fans, his reputation can't get much worse.

 

[dogunwo]

The NFLPA is charged with protecting the interests of all players, not just Greg Hardy. If they feel that not filing an appeal would be detrimental the players as a whole (e.g., by allowing bad precedent to be set), they certainly should feel obligated to appeal.

Plus, couldn't they file the appeal without seeking an injunction?

 

[Rogah]

At this point it's no longer about tampering with balls. It's about Brady's lack of cooperation. And this thread isn't about Brady at all.

The two appeals are actually very closely related (if Hardy files, that is). Neither is about guilt or innocence, it is about process and fairness. Brady relies heavily on the Adrian Peterson judgment and it is assumed Hardy (if he files) will do the same.

 

[Rogah]

I think an injunction is out of play at this point.

Hardy will probably wait until the Aug 13th contempt of court hearing in the Peterson case.

Hardy's case was noted in that motion and the League may be forced to act on Hardy as well.

If all that fails, he may just take the 4 games and be done with it. Let Brady go to Supreme Court.

I actually heard an interesting opinion that that could happen. Now before you jump to conclusions, I don't mean the Supreme Court is going to listen to the idea of whether or not Brady is guilty.

The guy talking on the radio said it was a longshot, 1-in-a-million chance but the scenario he painted was one where the Supreme Court has to decide jurisdiction of 2 different federal districts, which is actually a quite typical thing for them to do.

 

[slick325]

Don't see why the NFLPA and Hardy won't file an appeal...nothing to lose and everything to gain. NFLPA can gain another notch in their belt against Goodell and his "process". Hardy can gain two more game checks should it be reduced to two games (I believe that's over $1mil). If they lose then he serves four games and the NFLPA goes back to the drawing board.

 

[JoeKing]

The two appeals are actually very closely related (if Hardy files, that is). Neither is about guilt or innocence, it is about process and fairness. Brady relies heavily on the Adrian Peterson judgment and it is assumed Hardy (if he files) will do the same.

If you stick to the facts of each case there are distinctions where we can separate these threads. But it is just like you to find the similarities and take that as carte blanche to talk about whatever interests you in all of them.

 

[Rogah]

If you stick to the facts of each case there are distinctions where we can separate these threads. But it is just like you to find the similarities and take that as carte blanche to talk about whatever interests you in all of them.

The cases are wildly different. One guy was found to be "generally aware" that "it is more probable than not" that an equipment violation was taking place. The other guy beat the crap out of a woman and threatened to kill her (it's terrifying how many people in this forum are comfortable with that behavior because he is now a Cowboy).

However, the basis of their respective appeals (if Hardy files) are amazingly similar. They each speak to the process, fairness and precedent. They also each rely heavily on Adrian Peterson.

 

[Wood]

The cases are wildly different. One guy was found to be "generally aware" that "it is more probable than not" that an equipment violation was taking place. The other guy beat the crap out of a woman and threatened to kill her (it's terrifying how many people in this forum are comfortable with that behavior because he is now a Cowboy).

However, the basis of their respective appeals (if Hardy files) are amazingly similar. They each speak to the process, fairness and precedent. They also each rely heavily on Adrian Peterson.

I think the cases are very different on basis that one actually deals with what happened on football field and other one didn't.

 

[Rogah]

I think the cases are very different on basis that one actually deals with what happened on football field and other one didn't.

You're absolutely correct, but the federal appeals courts will not be looking at the merits of the cases. They will be looking at the overall process. Ray Rice got his 2nd-suspension overturned, not because he was innocent but because the whole process was not fair. Same thing for Peterson.

 

[Stash]

I think the cases are very different on basis that one actually deals with what happened on football field and other one didn't.

Yeah, that's exactly how I see it too. It's more serious in my opinion when a player blatantly cheated to gain an advantage on the field, directly affecting the integrity of the game.

 

[CATCH17]

The more I've learned about these appeals, apparently it's not that easy to get a federal judge to take these on. You have to have a REALLY compelling reason for it.

Brady may very well not even get his case heard. Maybe Hardy, too.

I would say Hardy has a really compelling reason..


Case was thrown out, woman was on drugs, all the witnesses back his claims.

Hardy should not be suspended for a game because there is nothing to suspend him for other than an allegation.