NFLPA monitoring Lee injury

[Doomsday101]

That's the spin...but not the film.

No spin and your right it is the film. I have seen it a number of times. I don't know what you see but Lee plants you can see the knee starting to buckle. Only spin I see it this non sense of it is a cheap shot.

 

[TheFinisher]

Seen the play nothing cheap about it. Lee planted trying to cut and the knee gave way, he was going down before Martin got to him.

The film clearly shows Martin engaging, extending, and finishing the block into the ground. That's 100% what the no contact rule states you CANNOT do so don't act bewildered when we get some sort of penalty handed down by the NFL. I just hope it doesn't include the forfeiture of draft picks.

 

[perrykemp]

The film clearly shows Martin engaging, extending, and finishing the block into the ground. That's 100% what the no contact rule states you CANNOT do so don't act bewildered when we get some sort of penalty handed down by the NFL. I just hope it doesn't include the forfeiture of draft picks.

I don't know that I agree that Martin was full-out blocking Lee, however, it's clear from the film that there was plenty of contact going on at Cowboys camp.

The question I have is this a NFL league-wide thing or are the Cowboys one of the few culprits.

 

[TheFinisher]

No spin and your right it is the film. I have seen it a number of times. I don't know what you see but Lee plants you can see the knee starting to buckle. Only spin I see it this non sense of it is a cheap shot.

Martin buried Lee into the ground. That violates the no contact rule. Lee tore his ACL on the play and the league is going to investigate it. Period.

 

[Doomsday101]

The film clearly shows Martin engaging, extending, and finishing the block into the ground. That's 100% what the no contact rule states you CANNOT do so don't act bewildered when we get some sort of penalty handed down by the NFL. I just hope it doesn't include the forfeiture of draft picks.

Lee froze once the knee gave way he was not going any where. Yes Martin extended to get into position to make a block that is what they are working on. This is not walking or jogging yes they are moving quickly but there is no tackling tacking place and once contact is made guys back off. Martin can't because Lee is going down and Martin goes down with him but did not bury him at all.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

the film doesn't lie...watch closely and objectively

 

[Rockport]

Yikes. The film doesn't lie. I wonder what the punishment could be.

 

[Doomsday101]

the film doesn't lie...watch closely and objectively

I have, get a clue, Lee knee is giving way before contact once the knee buckles Lee is unable to do much but starts to go down, Martin was running the play. Go look at all NFL teams OTA they run them the same way. There is no cheap shot by anyone. Martin did not cut him or do anything wrong of the play. Had Lee knee not buckled yes they would make contact and disengage

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Yikes. The film doesn't lie. I wonder what the punishment could be.

Looks like Martin and Lee were at it, that probably started prior to taking the field.

Lees knee would have been fine it he had not engaged Martin.

 

[TheFinisher]

Lee froze once the knee gave way he was not going any where. Yes Martin extended to get into position to make a block that is what they are working on. This is not walking or jogging yes they are moving quickly but there is no tackling tacking place and once contact is made guys back off. Martin can't because Lee is going down and Martin goes down with him but did not bury him at all.

If there was no intention of contact Martin would not have engaged and blocked him to the ground. He came in full throttle, out of control, and could not hold himself back, because his intention was to make that block. If he had intentions of no contact that would have never happened. You don't bury linebackers on a screen pass out in space unless you intend to do so. This is the NFL and these are professional athletes, not some high school squad.

 

[Sydla]

Would not be surprised at all if we get penalized by the NFL for that. The NFLPA was very adament about OTA's being no contact and not full speed, very limited competition periods, etc. We cleary were running a full speed team period and Martin buried Lee into the ground, it's clear as day on tape.

When you don't follow the guidelines at hand and someone tears their ACL that's when you'll get penalized. I'd expect a penalty at this point. They're not gonna say "geez, we feel bad you already lost Lee, that's punishment enough". I could see them taking a draft pick away.

The problems is that it would be an inconsistent ruling. Last year, a Tampa beat writer said Tampa was hitting in OTAs and it caused a stir. NFL and NFLPA looked at it and apparently nothing came of it. Last year, Henry Hynoski was blocked into another player causing a knee injury in Giants OTAs and nothing ever came of it. So if the NFLPA and NFL do anything, it would be inconsistent with their stance on previous camps after the new CBA and would simply be a case of them trying to make an example out of the Cowboys.

 

[TheFinisher]

The problems is that it would be an inconsistent ruling. Last year, a Tampa beat writer said Tampa was hitting in OTAs and it caused a stir. NFL and NFLPA looked at it and apparently nothing came of it. Last year, Henry Hynoski was blocked into another player causing a knee injury in Giants OTAs and nothing ever came of it. So if the NFLPA and NFL do anything, it would be inconsistent with their stance on previous camps after the new CBA and would simply be a case of them trying to make an example out of the Cowboys.

Unfortunately, those instances didn't have near the publicity that this one has. That film is all over the place for everyone to see and unfortunately it shows a clear violation of the no contact rule.

 

[Sydla]

That's the spin...but not the film.

You are joking right?

 

[Doomsday101]

If there was no intention of contact Martin would not have engaged and blocked him to the ground. He came in full throttle, out of control, and could not hold himself back, because his intention was to make that block. If he had intentions of no contact that would have never happened. You don't bury linebackers on a screen pass out in space unless you intend to do so. This is the NFL and these are professional athletes, not some high school squad.

Go watch OTA around the league, it is no different. Yes they make contact it is not what is considered full contact practice. Players engage and are across the entire line, watch all the guys up front they are engaging there is nothing wrong with that and nothing different than what is taking place across the NFL right now. You are right these are professional athletes and this is part of getting ready to go up aginst other professional athletes.

 

[Doomsday101]

Unfortunately, those instances didn't have near the publicity that this one has. That film is all over the place for everyone to see and unfortunately it shows a clear violation of the no contact rule.

So what being shown all over the place does not mean a damn thing. Only people making an issue are a couple of people here. Yes a player was hurt and NFLPA will look at it nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[theSHOW]

 

[Sydla]

Unfortunately, those instances didn't have near the publicity that this one has. That film is all over the place for everyone to see and unfortunately it shows a clear violation of the no contact rule.

You realize that all OTAs are required to be filmed right (part of the last CBA)? So there's video of Hynoski getting blocked, etc. The NFLPA can request video at any time to view practices adn they apparently often do. So it doesn't matter that it's all over the internet, the NFLPA will look it just like they looked at video of Tampa's rumored contact filled OTAs and the situation where Hynoski got blocked. Plus the Tampa story was a big story last year so to say this has more publicity than that is a bit off.

If they do anything here (and note, I am not saying they won't, I wouldn't put it past them), it would deviate from their previous stances on similar styled practices and clearly be a case of trying to make an example out of the Cowboys.

 

[dstovall5]

Jerry allowing contact during OTAs is unacceptable. I think the owners should meet and strip the team away from him.

I think Garret also had a part in this, lemme contact the NFLPA just to make sure they know.

 

[Bleu Star]

What? This is garretts fault? It was not full tilt practice. Once the knee gave way Lee went down before any contact and no Martin did not bury him. I guess Garrett and the coaches could just let players sit around and do nothing all summer and into training camp because frankly that is the only way players will avoid injury by doing nothing.

You need to "study" the video.

 

[Bleu Star]

Lee leans into Martin on the play as Martin explodes and blows up Seans knee. Sean Lee never seen it coming. Everyone needs to watch the Video closer, the Players Union will be and you can't blame them.

Knowing Lee he provoked Martin.

I don't care what anyone says the proof is in the film. That was a brutal play and it appeared to be a cheap shot.

Yeppers. That was a load of crap all the way around. I saw exactly what you saw. Better control of the proceedings ensures that crap like this does not happen. For someone that's so highly touted, Martin exhibited the intelligence of a fawn. Rules were clearly not specified. Why else would he do that when there are no pads in play? A real shame...