NIKE partners with Mass Murderer

[Goldenrichards83]

I don't think anybody's pro-Michael Vick necessarily and actually shame on you for trying to push anyone's opinion other than your very own on this subject down everybody's throat, that is why you put that in caps right?...Just because some of us don't have a problem with his currently playing in the nfl, by no means makes half the people that post messages on this board pro Michael Vick. It is his currently his right to play in the NFL and to make a living...Nike and the NFL both are legal avenues for Michael Vick...I'm not really a big fan and I personally thought he was a lousy QB, but what do you want the guy to do? I'm all out of hate and anger for the guy..(been a proud PETA member now for 6 years) I'm not renewing my membership after the blantant capitalization of this mere event(in part)...he's done his time, and now they still won't leave it alone, they want the cash...you can spare me PETA. If it woulda been you or I, some PETA latchkey might have talked about it on the daily news for 30 seconds. They want the guy to fry in hell, and want to squeeze every ounce of what they can out of it...That is their main goal now, money and attention from now going forward, it's over...but i'm sure it will be on their radar 5 years from today...no thanks

Are you sure you believe he did his time for his crime? If so I can't understand why you would have any problem with anything Michael Vick does now...It sounds like you merely think he got off easy. If that's what you think just say it. I learned pretty young, you gotta pick your battles, and you can go and be angry at Mike Vick the rest of your life, but I don't think it'll do you much good.

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[Doomsday101]

Come on. Please. Vick did his time and is actually reformed because of it. I can take offense with what he did, because it was reprehensible. We aren't, however, talking as if he killed humans.

I care greatly about Dogs, and love the one that I have. But I think that people are demonizing a man who willingly did his time and is a better man because of it.

Yes he did his time I disagree that he deserved a chance in the NFL. You deserve the right to have your freedom. As for what he did no it is not worse than killing a human it does not change the fact that was he did was crule and sick. I have no respect at all of any jerk who would do that in the name of making money.

You say he is a better man because of it? Really or is he a person who has hired people to help build his image back up?

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Personally, I think how, where and by whom Nike shoes are made is more of an indictment of the company than hiring Vick as a shill.

 

[Funxva]

Yes he did his time I disagree that he deserved a chance in the NFL. You deserve the right to have your freedom. As for what he did no it is not worse than killing a human it does not change the fact that was he did was crule and sick. I have no respect at all of any jerk who would do that in the name of making money.

You say he is a better man because of it? Really or is he a person who has hired people to help build his image back up?

I agree that he deserves his freedom, and part of the word freedom is free. Free to work in any avenue that his skills can get him into. If that is back into the NFL than so be it.

Note that I did not say that I condoned what he did. That's a straw man argument, Dooms. I am saying that he has done his time. Actions speak louder than words, and so far he is doing all the right things. Whatever his personal reasons for doing it are, it does not change the action itself, does it?

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree that he deserves his freedom, and part of the word freedom is free. Free to work in any avenue that his skills can get him into. If that is back into the NFL than so be it.

Note that I did not say that I condoned what he did. That's a straw man argument, Dooms. I am saying that he has done his time. Actions speak louder than words, and so far he is doing all the right things. Whatever his personal reasons for doing it are, it does not change the action itself, does it?

Well we disagree I don't think the NFL is a right but a privalage to play. Sorry I don't like the man I don't owe him a second chance one way or the other. Going out hiring a person to help your image does not mean anything is he sorry or is he sorry he got caught and had he not been caught do you think he would still be doing it? Sorry I don't have anything good to say about him I think he is a low life scum and not the only one in the NFL. I think it is a joke that these thugs are allowed to play the game.

 

[Funxva]

Well we disagree I don't think the NFL is a right but a privalage to play. Sorry I don't like the man I don't owe him a second chance one way or the other. Going out hiring a person to help your image does not mean anything is he sorry or is he sorry he got caught and had he not been caught do you think he would still be doing it? Sorry I don't have anything good to say about him I think he is a low life scum and not the only one in the NFL. I think it is a joke that these thugs are allowed to play the game.

Definitely an opinion that you are entitled to. I, however, might hire someone to help my image to counteract all the slander from Animal Rights groups. I don't blame the man for that. I also agree with you that playing in the NFL is not a right, and it is not a foregone conclusion that Vick should be in there.

Tell me, what are your personal feelings on Ray Lewis?

 

[Big Dakota]

Nike partners with mass murder? For a second there i thought Charlie has hinself a job

 

[Doomsday101]

Definitely an opinion that you are entitled to. I, however, might hire someone to help my image to counteract all the slander from Animal Rights groups. I don't blame the man for that. I also agree with you that playing in the NFL is not a right, and it is not a foregone conclusion that Vick should be in there.

Tell me, what are your personal feelings on Ray Lewis?

If I have this wrong please correct me, Lewis friends killed a man not Ray Lewis. I do think every incident and circumstances should be looked at in each individual case it is a bit unfair since I don't know all the details on the Lewis case. However I do think there are many who have gotten 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances that do not need to be in the NFL.

 

[Hoofbite]

How can Vick be someone's last straw for Nike?

Everyone knows they have sweat shop conditions and employ children but it's the dogs people get all riled about?

 

[Doomsday101]

How can Vick be someone's last straw for Nike?

Everyone knows they have sweat shop conditions and employ children but it's the dogs people get all riled about?

I agree. There are many things wrong with Nike, Vick being the least of it.

 

[Concord]

He's a piece of ****.

He's only sorry cause he got caught and lost everything.

If he hadn't got caught, he's still be doing it today...enjoying it.

I love dogs and have zero tolerance for people who hurt them.

That being said...I have always and will always buy Nike.

I just like their stuff.

 

[mldardy]

Mass Murderer? Give me a break with this stuff. I love dogs but I am not going to put what he did above serial killers and people like that.

 

[Benny Blue Boy]

Here's one thing i'm surprised (but sorta glad so I didn't have to hear about it every day) didn't catch more attention. You can actually get dog sweaters jersey things on NFL.COM. You can get them personalized, and the NFL has already answered that question yes...upon request from NFL.COM you can get your very own Michael Vick jersey not only for you, but also for your dog...but I stand by that if he's back then he's back and he can do whatever the hell he wants. As far as it's good and legal.

 

[Rampage]

Here's one thing i'm surprised (but sorta glad so I didn't have to hear about it every day) didn't catch more attention. You can actually get dog sweaters jersey things on NFL.COM. You can get them personalized, and the NFL has already answered that question yes...upon request from NFL.COM you can get your very own Michael Vick jersey not only for you, but also for your dog...but I stand by that if he's back then he's back and he can do whatever the hell he wants. As far as it's good and legal.

oh sweet! I gotta get my Boston Terrier a Barber one

 

[Benny Blue Boy]

I saw it on one of those ESPN shows a couple weeks ago and am pretty surprised that's all i've seen about it

 

[Funxva]

If I have this wrong please correct me, Lewis friends killed a man not Ray Lewis. I do think every incident and circumstances should be looked at in each individual case it is a bit unfair since I don't know all the details on the Lewis case. However I do think there are many who have gotten 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances that do not need to be in the NFL.

Mostly right you are. According to the facts from what I can remember, Lewis was able to plead down to obstruction of justice as long as he testified against his two friends. He served 100 or so days in jail and was originally sentenced to two years. However, one can say that he was there during the killing of two people (stabbing, punching, kicking, etc) and only he and those that he was with on that night really know whether he actually did anything.

My point is simply that everyone feels that Ray Lewis is a stand up guy and a leader, myself included. He was given a second chance after two people got murdered and I don't remember as much hate for him then as I am hearing for Vick who didn't directly, as I know, kill any dogs. He was involved in a horrible situation.

As I said, I'm a dog lover, and Vick was rightfully punished for his involvment in the fighting ring.

I think certain animal right's groups are now taking this completely too far. The man has been given a second chance that not very many people get, let him make the most of it.

 

[Concord]

My point is simply that everyone feels that Ray Lewis is a stand up guy and a leader, myself included. He was given a second chance after two people got murdered and I don't remember as much hate for him then as I am hearing for Vick who didn't directly, as I know, kill any dogs. He was involved in a horrible situation.

As I said, I'm a dog lover, and Vick was rightfully punished for his involvment in the fighting ring.

I think certain animal right's groups are now taking this completely too far. The man has been given a second chance that not very many people get, let him make the most of it.

...According to the prosecutor's statement of facts in the case, between 2002 and 2007 Michael Vick and his co-conspirators Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor killed thirteen dogs by various methods including wetting one dog down and electrocuting her, hanging, drowning and shooting others and, in at least one case, by slamming a dog’s body to the ground.

Michael Vick didn't make a mistake. He didn't "make a bad choice." Over a period of five years he forced dogs into deadly fights, and he personally killed, or conspired to kill, thirteen dogs. He didn't pick a quick, painless method of killing, but instead chose a variety of means that qualify as torture. Pit Bulls are powerful dogs. Imagine how hard you would have to work to kill a Pit Bull by forcibly drowning him.

The report, dated Aug. 28, 2008, says, "Vick, Peace and Phillips thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to [Vick’s] Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs."

That must have been hilarious.


This man was no Mr. innocent standing around doing nothing...he actually participated in the killings.


http://www.examiner.com/x-1779-LA-P...me-to-remember-what-Vick-actually-did-to-dogs

 

[Funxva]

That must have been hilarious.


This man was no Mr. innocent standing around doing nothing...he actually participated in the killings.


http://www.examiner.com/x-1779-LA-Pet-Rescue-Examiner~y2009m5d19-Michael-Vick-release-imminent-time-to-remember-what-Vick-actually-did-to-dogs

Again, I'm not disputing that he was involved. You are cherry picking words from my statements there. I'm saying that the facts state that he was, just as the facts state for Ray Lewis that he was involved in some way, with the killing of Human Beings. I do not remember a story entitled - "Ray Lewis release imminent, time to remember what Lewis actually did to humans" type of story in the news.

I don't understand the crucifixion of the man who has done his time and paid his debts to society.

 

[Concord]

and I don't remember as much hate for him then as I am hearing for Vick who didn't directly, as I know, kill any dogs. He was involved in a horrible situation.

Again, I'm not disputing that he was involved. You are cherry picking words from my statements there. I'm saying that the facts state that he was, just as the facts state for Ray Lewis that he was involved in some way, with the killing of Human Beings. I do not remember a story entitled - "Ray Lewis release imminent, time to remember what Lewis actually did to humans" type of story in the news.

I don't understand the crucifixion of the man who has done his time and paid his debts to society.

I didn't cherry pick anything.

You said as far as you know he didn't actually kill a dog.

I just pointed out that you were wrong.

If you're going to defend the guy at least get the facts straight.

Ray Lewis...DIDN'T actually kill anyone.

Vick DID actually kill some of those dogs...personally.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I didn't cherry pick anything.

You said as far as you know he didn't actually kill a dog.

I just pointed out that you were wrong.

If you're going to defend the guy at least get the facts straight.

Ray Lewis...DIDN'T actually kill anyone.

Vick DID actually kill some of those dogs...personally.

But he was arrested and initially charged with murder. And if not for squealing like a pig on the stand, he'd be in jail now. Because while I like Ray Lewis, the player, I don't believe he was an innocent bystander in that brouhaha. And it boggles my mind how he's uplifted as this great person after all that. Selective memory at it's best.

Funxva's overall point is that Vick paid his debt to society...and that should be it as it pertains to his ability to revive his NFL career.

Not interested in really getting too involved in this whole debate, because I hold no particular feelings toward Vick other than I think he's an idiot. I'd probably have stronger feelings if he had murdered a human. JMO.