No longer push overs on the Offensive line

[blueblood70]

That makes no sense at all. If everyone has to overpay to get free agents then it's not really overpaying, that's just market value.

Regardless the guy has the 6th highest AAV at C right now. How many JAGs are the 6th highest paid at their position? Johnathan Hankins is close to JAG status, that's why he only got $2M in free agency.

yeah I don't think the word Jag should be used to much as a negative but he is an average center at best it's not a bad center just like I don't think Connor McGovern or Connor Williams were bad guards but they just weren't at the top of their game and we need it better especially you start judging them you split them up how were they in the past rush versus the run game and be honest was terrible in the run game he got pushed around too much and even in the pass game sometimes right at the snap he was almost in the lap of Prescott... Whether you like it or not there are a lot of overpaid players at their positions they don't have to call them Jags the fact is the market doesn't make the player better there are plenty of overpaid quarterbacks in this league and there are guys like jalen Smith how do you account for how much money he made and he really wasn't good because he stacked up what people look at sometimes in tackles without looking at where were these tackles happening... And I'm not going into the rest of the league there are plenty of guys in free agency who are overpaid because the market says so yeah but it still makes them the same player they were and just because there isn't a lot of great center so he's 6th overall in money doesn't make him six overall in centers or as an ol... I think that's what Rockport's trying to tell you it just because they got paid well and found a job real quick doesn't make him anything but average so yes I believe he's a very solid average player but yet we need better than that.. They were right in letting him go that's the point you don't pay that kind of money for average, but some teams will.....we were correct in moving on from the conners and TB.,.

 

[rambo2]

Exactly -not buying any hype until it shows on the field this year. Anybody trying to sell sunshine and rainbows has no grip on reality!

Some have vision and can see the early positive trend. There is a lot to be excited about in the oline.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Can’t make this stuff up. You’re propping a guy because of his salary? If Biadaz is so good, why isn’t he here? He got manhandled last year.

Do teams typically pay more money to guys coming off of good seasons or bad? Tyler Biadasz isnt here because the Cowboys historically don't value interior OL unless they are elite talents. This is the same reason they've let Connon Williams and Connor McGovern walk each of the last two offseasons. And for the record I really didn't prop him up...I called Biadasz average. Lets not make this out to be me calling Biadasz something he isnt.

I could be wrong here, but my assumption based on the super vague high level view assessment you've provided, in addition to pointing out a trivial point I made in terms of Biadasz's salary (and for some reason you think Tyler Smith just finished his rookie year) is that you really don't have any clue how to evaluate Olinemen. That's completely fine BTW, I think many people don't truly understand blocking assignments and evaluation of an OL, but don't double down on these bush league arguments just because you want to bash Cowboy players as they walk out the door.

I hope that I am wrong in my assumption there as I much prefer to talk actual football than the non stop drama BS about contracts and posters forming narratives to make "their guys" look good. Give me just one advanced metric that shows Biadasz is a JAG. It can even be some highly disputed source like a PFF for all I care. If you don't like metrics that's fine, give me one play that you can break down to show that Biadasz is a JAG. I don't care if its a play where he gets total embarrassed, but lets break it down and have the discussion. I get caught up in the drama threads all the time, but I LOVE to talk about actual football so lets do that if you have some sort of actual argument to your claim.

 

[Streifenkarl]

LT Guyton 6’7” 322 lbs
LG Smith 6’6” 332 lbs
C Beebe 6’4” 335 lbs

This is the future. Beebe may not be the starting center this season as Hoffman at 6’4” 302 lbs looks the part, but I believe he’ll eventually take over. If so, can you imagine run sweeps to the left? Dak will tell the defense, “Hey, we’re running a sweep left.” Then run the sweep and watch the pins fall. 5 yards a play easy. And the play action off of that? Haven’t even mentioned Martin and Steele. Question is, can MM adapt his WCO to take advantage.

This (imo) will be the most important development on offense if not the team. But we did have some good players on that line last year, so I wouldn't expect major jumps forward. But if they can gel quickly it will help establish a good run game which then will make the offense two dimensional.

So I won't celebrate before I have seen a couple of regular season games, but I really hope the o line will deliver.

 

[thunderpimp91]

yeah I don't think the word Jag should be used to much as a negative but he is an average center at best it's not a bad center just like I don't think Connor McGovern or Connor Williams were bad guards but they just weren't at the top of their game and we need it better especially you start judging them you split them up how were they in the past rush versus the run game and be honest was terrible in the run game he got pushed around too much and even in the pass game sometimes right at the snap he was almost in the lap of Prescott... Whether you like it or not there are a lot of overpaid players at their positions they don't have to call them Jags the fact is the market doesn't make the player better there are plenty of overpaid quarterbacks in this league and there are guys like jalen Smith how do you account for how much money he made and he really wasn't good because he stacked up what people look at sometimes in tackles without looking at where were these tackles happening... And I'm not going into the rest of the league there are plenty of guys in free agency who are overpaid because the market says so yeah but it still makes them the same player they were and just because there isn't a lot of great center so he's 6th overall in money doesn't make him six overall in centers or as an ol... I think that's what Rockport's trying to tell you it just because they got paid well and found a job real quick doesn't make him anything but average so yes I believe he's a very solid average player but yet we need better than that.. They were right in letting him go that's the point you don't pay that kind of money for average, but some teams will.....we were correct in moving on from the conners and TB.,.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and that's all I've been saying is that Biadasz was an average player. The Cowboys let him walk in free agency because thats what they do with any interior OL that isnt a top guy at his position, and that's not a wrong strategy either. I honestly could care less what non Cowboys are making, but the poster claimed that all three of Biadasz/Tyron Smith/Steele were holding this Oline back and that Tyler Smith had rookie growing pains. Outside of Steele it's all very incorrect. Biadsz really didn't elevate the group, but comparing to the rest of the league there are probably only 10 or so Centers that significantly outperformed him a year ago.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

We had 3 All-Pros on the O-line last year.

What "horrendous" O-Line is 60% All Pros?

martin declined
Tyrone when on was a top 5 tackle but missed a few games
Biad is better than most give him credit for
Tyler is great
Steele was mainly the reason i say it was horrendous, and prob why Martin didnt look as good

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

martin declined
Tyrone when on was a top 5 tackle but missed a few games
Biad is better than most give him credit for
Tyler is great
Steele was mainly the reason i say it was horrendous, and prob why Martin didnt look as good

60% of our O-line made the All-Pro team last year.

Good luck expecting better than that.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

60% of our O-line made the All-Pro team last year.

Good luck expecting better than that.

Dak made all-pro too, doesnt mean hes all that

Martin was not as good as he once was (at least that year) and im psure he got in solely by name
Tyler and Tyrone were deserving for sure

Steeles injury really destroyed the right side of that line and we couldnt run for ****

 

[thunderpimp91]

60% of our O-line made the All-Pro team last year.

Good luck expecting better than that.

I didn't even realize Martin made 1st team. I thought it was just Smith & Smith.

 

[CowboyFrog]

60% of our O-line made the All-Pro team last year.

Good luck expecting better than that.

so all pro is now the measure of a good player..this should be fun...

 

[Montanalo]

I'm more concerned with the running scheme.

Clearly last year was a flop.

I am more worried about the RBs behind this line

 

[gimmesix]

LT Guyton 6’7” 322 lbs
LG Smith 6’6” 332 lbs
C Beebe 6’4” 335 lbs

This is the future. Beebe may not be the starting center this season as Hoffman at 6’4” 302 lbs looks the part, but I believe he’ll eventually take over. If so, can you imagine run sweeps to the left? Dak will tell the defense, “Hey, we’re running a sweep left.” Then run the sweep and watch the pins fall. 5 yards a play easy. And the play action off of that? Haven’t even mentioned Martin and Steele. Question is, can MM adapt his WCO to take advantage.

Tyron is listed at 6-5, 320, so I don't really think we changed much there.

Also, I think if Beebe starts at center, I think defenses would prefer that we run sweeps so they can try to outquick us. Smith, Beebe and Martin powering straight at you would be a scary sight.

 

[Rockport]

Tyron is listed at 6-5, 320, so I don't really think we changed much there.

Also, I think if Beebe starts at center, I think defenses would prefer that we run sweeps so they can try to outquick us. Smith, Beebe and Martin powering straight at you would be a scary sight.

Tyron couldn’t be counted on. With him, you need 2 starting LT’s on the team because he’s going to go down at some point. I’m not a coach so have no idea how to effectively use these new mammoths they have on the line. I’ll leave that up to the experts. But good luck trying to out quick Smith and Guyton.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

so all pro is now the measure of a good player..this should be fun...

It’s a lot more relevant than Pro Bowls.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dak made all-pro too, doesnt mean hes all that

Actually yeah it does. When they start listing HoF accomplishments All Pro nods is right below championships.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Can’t make this stuff up. You’re propping a guy because of his salary? If Biadaz is so good, why isn’t he here? He got manhandled last year.

He was clearly the weak link in the OL last year. His entire rookie contract he got pushed back into the backfield. I'm glad he is gone.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I am more worried about the RBs behind this line

If the OL hadn't been improved and and the scheme changed, the RB's would have struggled just as much this year as they did last year. I said many times last year even the great Emmitt Smith would have come off the field shaking his head it was so bad.

 

[blueblood70]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and that's all I've been saying is that Biadasz was an average player. The Cowboys let him walk in free agency because that's what they do with any interior OL that isnt a top guy at his position, and that's not a wrong strategy either. I honestly could care less what non Cowboys are making, but the poster claimed that all three of Biadasz/Tyron Smith/Steele were holding this Oline back and that Tyler Smith had rookie growing pains. Outside of Steele it's all very incorrect. Biadsz really didn't elevate the group, but comparing to the rest of the league there are probably only 10 or so Centers that significantly outperformed him a year ago.

sure, what you're saying makes sense but that doesn't mean if you used your eyes, Tyron Smith and Biadsz and Steele were holding the RUN game ie physical part of their game was lacking. of course 77 is HOF but on the downside of his career but his pass blocking skills were still very good, but he was not anything but average in the run game and TB was consistently pushed back in the lap of the pocket both pass and run, hes was solid MOST games but had snaps that contributed to lost downs and failed conversions. Steele well that was part of his game that got him paid ie his physical skills in the run game and that was lost over injury and he was never great in Pass blocking and any slip made him liability.

to that end i agree with Rock, i believe we are Better this year even with rookies and 2nd year players they are all more physical and hard to move in the run game.. they're will be growing pains but i believe they more physical demeanor and attitude with the body type to deliver was lacking in Smith , steele and Biasdz, hopefullly Steele regains that, but it was an ISSUE.

all IMHO were very replaceable and for the most part moving forward won't be missed as much as most might claim.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I am more worried about the RBs behind this line

With a good line and good scheme...RB becomes less of a liability. Make a gosh darn hole for gods sake!

I don't think Barry Sanders' team was as bad as some people say...but we could ask him about it.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Good point. MM is a WCO guy. He needs to embrace the run more. His question is who is good enough to get the rock? As of July 30th there is no one that can be counted on to get 4 yards a carry to run out the clock.

It’s a position to watch closely between now and opening day.

Its so stupid of our front office not to have drafted a running back. Instead they brought back Zeke with his 2.5 yard average. And they expect fans to be excited about that? Jerry and son think we are fools.