No love for Covington

[Fredbeard]

Hatcher's best year here was as Marinelli's attacking 3T. He was the best pass rusher that year.

Before and after he was 2 gapping in a 3-4, first here and then Washington. He wasn't all that great in this role. He even lamented that he wasn't getting a chance to rack up stats in a 3-4 and then went back to a 3-4 team anyways to get more money after he did have a high stat year in a 4-3.

He's a good example of how a decent 2 gapper in a 3-4 can do really well in a 4-3 once it clicks that they only have to be responsible for hitting a single gap as hard as possible almost every play.

Hatcher wasn't named. a starter until 2011 , when rob Ryan was named dc. He Had career highs in tackles in both 2011 (36) and 2012(51). He also had four and half sacks in 2011 and four in 2012. He also lead the league in quarterback pressures from a interior d lineman in 2012 with 29. That's what I meant by Hatcher started to develop before rod was
Hired.hatcher had his best season under rod and montee but the idea that he was some undicsovered prospect who rod developed is factually wrong

 

[Manster68]

Me too! Woods, Covington, Collins and Crawford is a pretty decent rotation IMO. If we land Quinn, with Taco, Hyder, Armstrong and a decent draft pick...

Will he get run over by the Rams offensive line?

 

[DasSchnitzel]

Hatcher wasn't named. a starter until 2011 , when rob Ryan was named dc. He Had career highs in tackles in both 2011 (36) and 2012(51). He also had four and half sacks in 2011 and four in 2012. He also lead the league in quarterback pressures from a interior d lineman in 2012 with 29. That's what I meant by Hatcher started to develop before rod was
Hired.hatcher had his best season under rod and montee but the idea that he was some undicsovered prospect who rod developed is factually wrong

I didn't mean to make that implication. I agree he was developing by then.

His only pro bowl appearance was 2013. That year he set career highs in:

Passes defended (3, next best is 2)
Forced fumbles (2, next best is 1)
Sacks (11, next best is 5.5)
Solo tackles (34, next best is 27)
Tackles for loss (15, next best is 8)
QB hits (15, next best is 13).

Was he showing some mid career development prior to 2013? Yes. Did he ever have another season before or after 2013 remotely close to the level of 2013? No.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HatcJa20.htm

 

[Fredbeard]

I didn't mean to make that implication. I agree he was developing by then.

His only pro bowl appearance was 2013. That year he set career highs in:

Passes defended (3, next best is 2)
Forced fumbles (2, next best is 1)
Sacks (11, next best is 5.5)
Solo tackles (34, next best is 27)
Tackles for loss (15, next best is 8)
QB hits (15, next best is 13).

Was he showing some mid career development prior to 2013? Yes. Did he ever have another season before or after 2013 remotely close to the level of 2013? No.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HatcJa20.htm

Sorry , I was referring to another poster who gave rod credit for developing Hatcher. Your right. Hatcher was probably better suited for a 4-3. Defense

 

[ESisback]

Will he get run over by the Rams offensive line?

Who really knows for sure?

 

[DasSchnitzel]

I am confused. Is there a particular reason Covington should be the recipient of "love"?

Did you read the OP, or just the thread title?

 

[Fredbeard]

Yeah, this really couldn't be more wrong.

He came to the Cowboys in 2013

Jason Hatcher's best season in his 10 year career? 2013 with 11 sacks and pro bowl. Before 2013 he had 18 sacks total in 7 years. Hatcher left the year after and never came close to repeating his performance.
Jason Hatcher wasn't a starter until 2011. He played a 3-4 defensive end and showed steady improvement in the two seasons before the cowboys switched to a 4-3 In 2013.Hatcher signed with the Commanders in 2014 , who also utilized a 3-4 defense. I believe he was also thirty at the time .Of his signing with the Commanders. Hatcher still had 5.5 sacks in 2014 but was largely injured in his final season. .could it be that Hatcher was a better fit in a 4 -3 defense
George Selvies best season in his 7 year career? You guessed it 2013 his first year with Rod. He had 7 sacks that season, and 10 of his 14 career sacks in the two years under Rod never having more than 1.5 any other season. We got him for $1.3M
Selvie was drafted in the seventh round of of the 2010 draft by the rams . Prior to signing with the cowboys, selvie had never started
And had only played one full season. Selvie also had been on three teams in a four year period. He was only add to the starting lineup after Anthony Spencer injured his knee.While selvie had seven sacks in 2013 , he seemed to regress in 2014 and only had three sacks. He signed with the Giants in 2015
And only started in three games and missed four games.

2014-
We sign Mincey to a $1.5M contract and Rod parlayed that into 6 sacks, the 2nd most in Mincey's 9 year career.
Mincey had the best season of his career with the jaguars in 2011 when he recorded eight sacks. I believe 2011 was the only year he played a full season.I don't know why you would get the idea he benefited from rod's coaching .He barely made a starting lineup with the jaguars before signing with the cowboys.Mincey was drafted in the sixth round of the 2006 draft by the Patriots and had been on four teams before signing with the cowboys . He seemed to regress in 2015. He lost playing time to tank and Greg Hardy . He finished the season with zero sacks .He retired in 2016

We sign Melton and he has 5 sacks in 3 starts lol
Henry Melton lost playing time to Tyrone Crawford and was utilized as a pass rusher only as the season went on. Melton couldn't even make it to the end of the season before he was placed on injured reserve. The cowboys had the option to sign him for two more seasons but chose to move on
We also drafted Lawrence in the 2nd round who he turned into an All-pro, and already got 8 sacks in his 2nd season

Lawerence is literally the only d lineman rod should get credit for helping develop.

2015-
We sign Greg Hardy who has 6 sacks in 12 games .
Greg Hardy had the best season of his career in 2013 when he had 13 sacks with the Panthers
He gets 4 sacks out of scrub Jack Crawford. Crawford had 9.5 sacks in his 38 games with Rod, he had 6 sacks in his other 35 games with all other teams.
Crawford had the best season of his career in 2018 with the falcons when he had six sacks . Crawford has been utilized as a backup dt with the falcons.he had multiple starts with the cowboys.

2016-
Thornton the first flop for Rod
Sign Mayowa for nothing and of course has a career year with Rod with 6 sacks.
Mayowa was a udfa with the Seahawks in 2013. He had only started in three games and recorded two sacks prior to joining the cowboys . He seemed to regress in in 2017 , when he only had one sack. However , he had five sacks in 2018 with the Cardinals.
Draft Collins in the 3rd whi gets 5 sacks as a rookie DT
You have been very critical of Collins in the past. He has never duplicated the success of his rookie season

2017-
Pluck David Irving off of a practice squad after going undrafted and he puts up per snaps stats on par with Donald and the other elite DTs along with 7 sacks.

Why not include irving's stats from 2016 when he played all 16 games and 69% of the defense's snaps . He only had four sacks in 2016.
We all already know about Antwuan Woods and Gregory's ascension last year, so won't linger with them.
Woods had only started in one game prior to joining the cowboys . He played well but also struggled in a number of games, especially against the rams and colts .randy Gregory has only played one full season and struggled against the run.

So your examples of flops were:
Nick Hayden- signed for the vets minimum and had his three best years of his career in his three years with us.his statistics with the cowboys were almost identical to his stats with the Panthers. The cowboys ranked 29th, 10th and 22nd against the run in the three seasons hayden was their starting one tech. He signed with the Browns for a month after leaving the cowboys and wads quickly cut. I don't think he played a down for the Browns.
Brian Price- Signed him from a practice squad and ended up being a contributor for us. Lol
Richard Ash- are you kidding?

He was on the roster for a season and the cowboys coaching staff like him

Jihad Ward- again are you kidding? He didnt even make the team lmao someone .

some poster here at cowboys zone created a thread about How rod had coached ward during a college bowl game. I think it was the east west game or the shrine game. Anyway rod really liked ward. Why do You think he was traded to the cowboys , even though he didn't make the roster
Bishop- drafted in the 7th round, how high were you aspirations that he flopped?

He lasted two seasons and many were high on him. Again, who do you think is responsible for building the defense's roster?
Ivie- another 7th rounder. You must think that 7th round DLmen should kill it.
I guess you missed the GIF of rod celebrating when the cowboys drafted ivie

Yeah, I'd say that Rod having as many successes as he does flips is a pretty off statement.

many of the players you listed didn't even start a game until they signed with the cowboys . ?many of them could barely make a roster before and after their time with the cowboys.some of them had the best year of their career before join the cowboys or after signing with another team.this is a ridiculous argument. You want to hold up jags as examples of players rod as coached up? I just be glad when rod finally reties

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

many of the players you listed didn't even start a game until they signed with the cowboys . ?many of them could barely make a roster before and after their time with the cowboys.some of them had the best year of their career before join the cowboys or after signing with another team.this is a ridiculous argument. You want to hold up jags as examples of players rod as coached up? I just be glad when rod finally reties

Lol grasping at straws

There's a whole lot of "some of them" without actually giving any substance or names

 

[Flamma]

Like Tank, look where that got him !

It got him 20 Mil a year if he wanted it. It got him top 20 highest paid players in the league kind of contract. Most of the one's ahead of him are quarterbacks. Has he proven to be beyond that?

 

[Fredbeard]

Lol grasping at straws

There's a whole lot of "some of them" without actually giving any substance or names

I gave specific names throughout my post , which you obviously you didn't read . is this is your example of rod "coaching " people up? Pathetic. Nice job of providing statistics without any context.

 

[kiheikiwi]

It got him 20 Mil a year if he wanted it. It got him top 20 highest paid players in the league kind of contract. Most of the one's ahead of him are quarterbacks. Has he proven to be beyond that?

No, he's not a QB, he is however one of the top 3 edge rushers in my opinion. And as a LE, he is also dammed good against the run. .

Who are you more comfortable paying right now Dak at $30,000000 or Demarrcus at $21,000000.
DLAW has proven his worth. Dak, it's still all about his potential.
Again, my opinion.