No one Owned the Eagles in the 2005 Regular Season!

[BigDFan5]

Simply not true ...perhaps a healhy second team Eagles squad!

QB- McNabb
RB- Westbrook
WR- TO and Brown
TE- Smith
Tackles- Runyan and Thomas
Guards- Hicks and Andrews
C -Frayley

DE's- Kalu and Kearse
DT's Thomas and Patterson
LB's- Adams, Jones, Trotter
CB's Sheppard and Brown
Safeties- Lewis and Dawkins


Where was the second team again

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Some people "toast" simply to toast. Some posters actually appreciate another point of view from an opponent fan. I'm not glutton for punishment ..I'll remember those that try to establish a dialogue and those who respond otherwise.

Ok... so let me ask - what kind of "dialogue" were you going for when posted/titled this thread?

 

[TEK2000]

P-T... addressing this statement:
"We're your real test to determine just how tough the NFC-East has really become in the last two years."

I fully disagree. At this point (simply based on personell potential), I'd put Philly in last place in the NFC-East. All 3 other teams have made BIG moves in free agency while Philly has done virtually nothing that I know of (and you may be able to correct me by stating what free agency moves your squad has made). The Giants have added some good pieces to their defense as well as a speedy reciever in Sinorice Moss (whereas ALL of their other recievers were big recievers). The Cowboys have brought in TO, Akin Ayodele to help round out the linebacker group, some experienced offensive linemen, an experienced FS as well has had quite a good draft. The Skins grabbed some talented recievers thru free agency that should really improve their ability to move the ball.

What have the Eagles done to improve themselves? If I were an Eagles fan... I'd be highly dissappointed by the team management/ownership! As I see it, ALL other NFC-East teams have passed Philly by.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Ok... so let me ask - what kind of "dialogue" were you going for when posted/titled this thread?

Yeah ...you're a real serious poster YoMick - I can see it all over your sarcastic faces!

 

[Stash]

Not trying to change the rules ...literally referring to the 2005 season; conceptually, speaking about 200 - 2004 season.

Nonsense.

Pure, utter, back-tracking nonsense.

You either deal with your subject - 2005 - or you don't.

This "argument" is ridiculous.

Clearly you've been owned as badly as your team was

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

P-T... addressing this statement:
"We're your real test to determine just how tough the NFC-East has really become in the last two years."

I fully disagree. At this point (simply based on personell potential), I'd put Philly in last place in the NFC-East. All 3 other teams have made BIG moves in free agency while Philly has done virtually nothing that I know of (and you may be able to correct me by stating what free agency moves your squad has made). The Giants have added some good pieces to their defense as well as a speedy reciever in Sinorice Moss (whereas ALL of their other recievers were big recievers). The Cowboys have brought in TO, Akin Ayodele to help round out the linebacker group, some experienced offensive linemen, an experienced FS as well has had quite a good draft. The Skins grabbed some talented recievers thru free agency that should really improve their ability to move the ball.

What have the Eagles done to improve themselves? If I were an Eagles fan... I'd be highly dissappointed by the team management/ownership! As I see it, ALL other NFC-East teams have passed Philly by.

I hear ya Tek... I might be inclined to put Wash in basement though. Brunnell doesnt make it through full season and then they are done.

 

[Vintage]

P-T... addressing this statement:
"We're your real test to determine just how tough the NFC-East has really become in the last two years."

I fully disagree. At this point (simply based on personell potential), I'd put Philly in last place in the NFC-East. All 3 other teams have made BIG moves in free agency while Philly has done virtually nothing that I know of (and you may be able to correct me by stating what free agency moves your squad has made). The Giants have added some good pieces to their defense as well as a speedy reciever in Sinorice Moss (whereas ALL of their other recievers were big recievers). The Cowboys have brought in TO, Akin Ayodele to help round out the linebacker group, some experienced offensive linemen, an experienced FS as well has had quite a good draft. The Skins grabbed some talented recievers thru free agency that should really improve their ability to move the ball.

What have the Eagles done to improve themselves? If I were an Eagles fan... I'd be highly dissappointed by the team management/ownership! As I see it, ALL other NFC-East teams have passed Philly by.

They added DE Darren Howard.
They are getting Sheppard and Brown back to full health.

They added one of the best OT (Justice), one of the best OG (Giles), one of the best DT (Brunkley) in the draft.

And McNabb is healthy.

They improved a bit at WR in Gaffney.

 

[superpunk]

They added DE Darren Howard.

A 30 year old injury prone DE who looks to have seen better days. Underwhelming, to say the least.

They are getting Sheppard and Brown back to full health.

No doubt of benefit. I believe they had them for most of last year, though, in the spirit of the (lame) thread.

Their draft could boom, or not. Ya never know. In any case, I don't think anyone but Bunkley projects as a starter. And calling them high-rated prospects is one thing - there;s definitely a reason these guys fell, no matter how highly the public rated them.

And McNabb is healthy.

They improved a bit at WR in Gaffney.

Um.....what? TO.....Gaffney.....

 

[1fisher]

Yeah ...you're a real serious poster YoMick - I can see it all over your sarcastic faces!

PT..... you know better than to stir a hornets nest like this??????

 

[Vintage]

A 30 year old injury prone DE who looks to have seen better days. Underwhelming, to say the least.

But yet, we can rely upon a OLB who has never played in a 3-4 and has never played ILB before in Ayodele.

And we can rely upon Kosier, an unknown, to step in for Allen. And we can rely upon Pettit being improved; or Fabini being worth a damn.

No doubt of benefit. I believe they had them for most of last year, though, in the spirit of the (lame) thread.

Perhaps someone could correct me if I am wrong...but Brown had offseason shoulder surgery and Sheppard actually missed games. But they cannot be counted on for health? But we can count on Flozell and Anthony Henry to be healthy this year, though...for sure.

Their draft could boom, or not. Ya never know.

And yet, we are penciling in Carpenter at SOLB and projecting him to be an immediate contributor.

In any case, I don't think anyone but Bunkley projects as a starter.

The Eagles.Scout users thinks Brunkley has more than a fair chance of starting.

And calling them high-rated prospects is one thing - there;s definitely a reason these guys fell, no matter how highly the public rated them.

Watkins fell for a reason too.

Or does that not count...he is a steal....?

Um.....what? TO.....Gaffney.....

T.O. missed most of last season. They played without him a majority of the time, so they basically lost him last season.

They improved a little by adding Gaffney to the mix.

 

[Stash]

They added DE Darren Howard.

He of the 3 sacks before getting benched last year. They were better with Burgess (who happened to lead the league in sacks last year)

They are getting Sheppard and Brown back to full health.

I hope to see Sheppard back on the field. The guy should wear a bullseye rather than a number. Brown is a quality cornerback.

They added one of the best OT (Justice),

A guy the entire league passed on. Why?

one of the best OG (Giles),

Who inexplicably plummeted to the 4th round. Again, why?

one of the best DT (Brunkley) in the draft.

Possibly. But he was yet another "one year wonder" who had an average college career until his senior season.

And McNabb is healthy.

He didn't seem to do much in two games vs Dallas last season - with or without the league's best receiver. I'm not scared now.

They improved a bit at WR in Gaffney.

How so? By losing Owens and signing a guy that Houston didn't value to a 1 year contract?

Doesn't look like it to me.

"The Least of the East" - Your 2006 Philadelphia Eagles

 

[superpunk]

But yet, we can rely upon a OLB who has never played in a 3-4 and has never played ILB before in Ayodele.

And we can rely upon Kosier, an unknown, to step in for Allen. And we can rely upon Pettit being improved; or Fabini being worth a damn.

You bring this up, why? I can't remember talking about relying on Ayodele. So it's not exactly an excellent rebuttal to the Howard comments. Call me shellshocked from Marcellus Wiley, but I see a similar situation here. Hell, a similar situation to Kearse, who has underachieved since arriving in Philly. If you want to gripe about people overrating FA pickups, start a thread and gripe at the board, not me. Because it has no relevance here.

Perhaps someone could correct me if I am wrong...but Brown had offseason shoulder surgery and Sheppard actually missed games.

Yes. Brown missed 0 games, and Sheppard missed the last 5, but was getting burnt all year. I seem to remeber saying something about it being good for the Eagles getting them at full health.

But they cannot be counted on for health? But we can count on Flozell and Anthony Henry to be healthy this year, though...for sure.

Again, with the "we" stuff. Yes, I think "we" can count on Henry - his injury was not a big deal. Adams, we'll see - his WAS a big deal, for an older lineman. Still, what any of this has to do with this thread, is anyone's guess. My only guess is that PT is rubbing off on you, or you're attempting some crusade at exposing hypocrisy in views. If so, start somewhere else. My guess is it's an excercise in futility, though, considering this IS in fact a Cowboys site.

And yet, we are penciling in Carpenter at SOLB and projecting him to be an immediate contributor.

And again....

The Eagles.Scout users thinks Brunkley has more than a fair chance of starting.

Yes....correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what "I don't think anyone but Bunkley projects as a starter" means? Why are you telling me this?

Watkins fell for a reason too.

Or does that not count...he is a steal....?

Please....save it. I'm not interested in whatever this obsession with contrasting the average Cowboys fan's view of our draft and FA pickups and draftees is. If it annoys you, fine. Be annoyed. But it has nothing to do with this thread, or me.

T.O. missed most of last season. They played without him a majority of the time, so they basically lost him last season.

We're translating "played without him for 9 games" as "basically lost him last season"?

No. That doesn't fly. From 2005 to 2006, their WR corps have taken a MAJOR blow.

 

[Vintage]

He of the 3 sacks before getting benched last year. They were better with Burgess (who happened to lead the league in sacks last year)

Howard is better than Kalu. Howard got benched for Will Smith; who is no slouch. A damn good DE.

I hope to see Sheppard back on the field. The guy should wear a bullseye rather than a number. Brown is a quality cornerback.

Last season, yes. Sheppard was pretty solid in '04. Then again, I guess teams should have counted out Newman for 2005, since his play slipped in '04.

A guy the entire league passed on. Why?

I don't know why. But he rated as one of the best OTs in the draft.

Who inexplicably plummeted to the 4th round. Again, why?

Watkins fell to the 5th. But then again, Watkins is a stud, right? I mean, people are penciling him in as a future starter for us...and expecting him to make an impact for us this season.

Possibly. But he was yet another "one year wonder" who had an average college career until his senior season.

So was Carson Palmer. And a whole slew of other people. Maybe it finally clicked for him.

He didn't seem to do much in two games vs Dallas last season - with or without the league's best receiver. I'm not scared now.

First game, agreed. We had him. Second game, injuries definetly were taking its toll. Look at how Bledsoe played in Washington when we went to Washington. Or in Seattle.

How so? By losing Owens and signing a guy that Houston didn't value to a 1 year contract?

Doesn't look like it to me.

"The Least of the East" - Your 2006 Philadelphia Eagles

Again, they lost him last season. They played most of the season without him.

The "paperwork" says this year.

But as far as "on the field" production, they lost him last season.

 

[Vintage]

You bring this up, why? I can't remember talking about relying on Ayodele. So it's not exactly an excellent rebuttal to the Howard comments. Call me shellshocked from Marcellus Wiley, but I see a similar situation here. Hell, a similar situation to Kearse, who has underachieved since arriving in Philly. If you want to gripe about people overrating FA pickups, start a thread and gripe at the board, not me. Because it has no relevance here.

The point is, people are counting out Howard to be a "nothing." Yet we can count on Ayodele to "produce" in a defense he has never played; in a position he has never played. I find it a bit amusing.

Yes. Brown missed 0 games, and Sheppard missed the last 5, but was getting burnt all year. I seem to remeber saying something about it being good for the Eagles getting them at full health.

Brown had off season surgery to his shoulder. I saw a thread over at eagles.scout awhile ago discussing it.

Again, with the "we" stuff. Yes, I think "we" can count on Henry - his injury was not a big deal. Adams, we'll see - his WAS a big deal, for an older lineman. Still, what any of this has to do with this thread, is anyone's guess. My only guess is that PT is rubbing off on you, or you're attempting some crusade at exposing hypocrisy in views. If so, start somewhere else. My guess is it's an excercise in futility, though, considering this IS in fact a Cowboys site.

You got my intentions dead on. "People" here mock ExtremeSkins for being dillusional homers about everything (which they are). But this site can be equally as bad in dismissing every other team.

 

[burmafrd]

Nobody is worse then the morons on ES. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

 

[superpunk]

The point is, people are counting out Howard to be a "nothing." Yet we can count on Ayodele to "produce" in a defense he has never played; in a position he has never played. I find it a bit amusing.

Exagerrate away. Howard is going to be nothing....no. He's expected to be solid. Expecting him to fix one of the worst front fours in the league last year with his recent history - is asking a bit much. And Ayodele has nothing to do with it, so save your crusade.

Brown had off season surgery to his shoulder. I saw a thread over at eagles.scout awhile ago discussing it.

Holy cow.

I freaking know.

You got my intentions dead on. "People" here mock ExtremeSkins for being dillusional homers about everything (which they are). But this site can be equally as bad in dismissing every other team.

Leave?

OR.....

You can accept some things for what they are, recognizing that yes, this is a Cowboys site, and yes, there are homers here, just like all fan sites. Extremeskins is infested more, because of their sheer volume of members, but you could ignore the snide comments about it, rather than let it inspire a crusade. Because in said crusade, you're making little sense to the person you're actually addressing.

Like I said, if your intention is to take on the forum, make them see the error of their homerific ways, go for it. Make your own thread. Don't reply to my post, containing legit criticism of the Eagles with "Your criticism is no good because this site is full of homers." That wacko logic only flies with PT.

 

[Stash]

The point is, people are counting out Howard to be a "nothing." Yet we can count on Ayodele to "produce" in a defense he has never played; in a position he has never played. I find it a bit amusing.

Not "nothing", but hardly the savior that the Eagles' fans think. I don't recall the Cowboys holding Ayodele to such lofty expectations.

Brown had off season surgery to his shoulder. I saw a thread over at eagles.scout awhile ago discussing it.

No doubts about Brown's abilities.

You got my intentions dead on. "People" here mock ExtremeSkins for being dillusional homers about everything (which they are). But this site can be equally as bad in dismissing every other team.

Maybe, or we can try to convince others that Jabbar Gaffney is an improvement for the Eagles at receiver.....

 

[cwbyfan72]

Yeah ...you're a real serious poster YoMick - I can see it all over your sarcastic faces!

A serious poster needs a serious thread.

 

[Stash]

Howard is better than Kalu. Howard got benched for Will Smith; who is no slouch. A damn good DE.

Howard got all of 3 sacks last year. Yeah, 3. Kalu probably got 1 or 2 by accident. Is that a big improvement?

Last season, yes. Sheppard was pretty solid in '04. Then again, I guess teams should have counted out Newman for 2005, since his play slipped in '04.

Newman's 2004 numbers wers still close to "Pro Bowler" Shappard's. But that was a "bad season" for Newman. I'd rather pin my hopes on the player who's on the rise rather than the one in decline.

I don't know why. But he rated as one of the best OTs in the draft.

Not to 31 other teams he didn't.

Watkins fell to the 5th. But then again, Watkins is a stud, right? I mean, people are penciling him in as a future starter for us...and expecting him to make an impact for us this season.

Find some quotes on Watkins as a "stud". And you're comparing a 5th round safety to a 2nd round left tackle? Looks like apples and oranges to me.....

So was Carson Palmer. And a whole slew of other people. Maybe it finally clicked for him.

And so was Ryan Leaf. Or Akili Smith. Or plenty of other players for that matter. Mike Mamula had great workout numbers too.

First game, agreed. We had him. Second game, injuries definetly were taking its toll. Look at how Bledsoe played in Washington when we went to Washington. Or in Seattle.

With Torrin Tucker at LT? Who could play behind him?

Again, they lost him last season. They played most of the season without him.

The "paperwork" says this year.

But as far as "on the field" production, they lost him last season.

They weren't winning with Owens last year, despite him being their only playmaker at receiver. Now we'll all see what they can do without him.

 

[TheEnigma]

Not trying to change the rules ...literally referring to the 2005 season; conceptually, speaking about 200 - 2004 season.

Fair enough

On the Ninth Day of October, In the Year of our Lord, Two Thousand and Five, the Dallas Cowboys Literally Owned the Philadelphia Eagles.

And that as they say is that.