CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I disagree completely and it was obvious they were milking the clock.

What is there ot disagree with? They milked the clock by throwing the ball for first downs.

 

[conner01]

What is there ot disagree with? They milked the clock by throwing the ball for first downs.

A run play never stops the clock and takes longer and we ran a lot late

 

[conner01]

I'm not entirely sure what went on last year. Zeke was injured and played. He wasn't playing particularly well...and played.

I guess suck the last remaining dollars out of his body?

That’s the most likely or Jerry just could accept that he was done

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

A run play never stops the clock and takes longer and we ran a lot late

That doesn't matter if you don't convert first downs lol, which they got through the air.

You're arguing a point that is, unequivocally, disproven in the NYJ game. And, bigger picture, if running inefficiently was actually helpful for TOP (or if TOP really mattered) teams would all do it. There's a reason teams abandon the run so often.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The best way to get first downs is throw the ball so...

Sorry man...not buying it.

You cite ONE game...in the sloppy rain against a good D...as your center pice eveidence.

How about you look at our 2016 team instead.

You say all teams use the passing game to control the clock...THAT team didn't! All good teams that "control" time of possession have a "ground and pound" attack....

Why do teams hand off with a big lead in the late minutes?

You know why.

This is some very strange behavior here.

 

[DuncanIso]

I disliked Zeke because of his greed. His production was average at best and didn't live up to his contract demands

10,650 APY

80 TDs

#respect

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Sorry man...not buying it.

You cite ONE game...in the sloppy rain against a good D...as your center pice eveidence.

How about you look at our 2016 team instead.

You say all teams use the passing game to control the clock...THAT team didn't! All good teams that "control" time of possession have a "ground and pound" attack....

Why do teams hand off with a big lead in the late minutes?

You know why.

This is some very strange behavior here.

2016 team was entirely dependent on their ability to throw the ball on third down.

TOP doesn't matter, and running the ball does not yield TOP anyway. The Falcons were the best rushing offense in the league last year, and the offense was terrible. LAC has the most efficient run game in the league this year, and has been good on offense, but is 0-2.

 

[glimmerman]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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They are gonna try to run the legs off of him this season and try a trade or let him go. Unless this guy can turn in a season performance he has never done before then no way he will get what his agent will want. Those days are gone.

I think we should have maybe a little better at getting better than the guy we just released that never touched the field.

I may get smashed for this and maybe rightfully so because he aint looking good now. But I thought Elliot would be back on a cheap deal with us. He don’t look in great shape but I think he wanted to still be with the team. Who knows what’s happened. I know he knew they were going to run him to death. JJ wants that Emmitt Smith again. That’s why he wanted to be paid. Just wish he didn’t sit out in Cabo 2 years early. Never expected for Elliot to play the 5th year option.

He played the last 2 years with knee problems. I watched him get tackled just like Dak and Pollard got tackled 2 times. Thought his leg got broken in the vikings game when Rush was playing because Dak was injured in pats OT game and hurt his leg again. Split the defenders close to the goal line on a short pass and one grabbed him from behind. Again against another team when he was already in the endzone. He came up lame and wasn’t the same. But man never said a word and kept wanting to play. Was up to the staff to sit him.

And if someone thinks Parsons is going to play his 5th year option then they are crazy. We will be lucky if he don’t sit 2 years early. He is playing almost every play.

Now to Pollard. He is a talent. He is above average. Great burst. But we all heard him tell the RB coach he was done after like 15 carrys in a winning effort where Elliot took a majority of the snaps. They gave him 25 last game. Was a test from the staff or the new game plan but I doubt it. If we don’t have another RB that can take snaps and make yardage then I don’t like it. Deuce is quick but he goes down easy because ge is just a smaller player. Dowdle seems ok. I would like to see Luepke get some carrys. He has been blocking. But let’s see if he shows up to run on game day…

Either way Pollard is playing his last games with The Cowboys.

 

[xwalker]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

​

I think the plan should be to use him less,​

​

use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

​

I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

​

I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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Zeke:
2020 thru 2022
Max carries in a game was 22.
Max season avg of 16.3 carries/game.

2016 thru 2018
Rarely had less than 22 carries/game.

well at this point it's no longer about Zeke vs tp for me, but more so, in my opinion find a better role for Luepke or someone else for short yardage or to eat clock at the end... i think our goal line and short yard to be given out to other running backs, as this was not hate on tony thread but more hes not built for these carries and i want him fresh to be his former self.. his last six games he has not been himself...

i just simply want him to be able to stay fresher and get that burst and big playability back. i simply would be OK with only giving TP 14-16 carries a game if that kept his big playability there...

I agree with limiting Pollard's touches.
- Maybe about 24 total touches.

Pollard Total Touches (Catch + Run):
16 vs Giants
32 vs Jets