CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[jaythecowboy]

The difference is Pollard can still pop the big run and Zeke can’t. I agree about sharing the load of carries more.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No ..... I said what a meant

You cried about Zeke for his entire career and moronically puffed out your chest 7 years later

I nailed it and it bothers you. Your hero was done just like i said and you feel
Like a bozo.

And to make matters worse pollard is making the pro bowl and proving you foolish again.

 

[zrinkill]

I nailed it and it bothers you. Your hero was done just like i said and you feel
Like a bozo.

And to make matters worse pollard is making the pro bowl and proving you foolish again.

You nailed it 7 years later and are not smart enough to realize that doesn't mean anything.

Year after year Cowboy Roy says Zeke won't be back next year.

7 years later look guys see I was right

Talk about a bozo

 

[CowboyRoy]

You nailed it 7 years later and are not smart enough to realize that doesn't mean anything.

Year after year Cowboy Roy says Zeke won't be back next year.

7 years later look guys see I was right

Talk about a bozo

7 years? Thats a losing angle. I didnt like the pick but didnt complain about zekes play until pollard was here and it was all too obvious.

Bozos like you simply cantle handle i nailed it all.

Poor guy. Do you miss your hero?

And i never said zeke woukdnt be here. Lol

It was the opposite. I had no confidence jones would man up.

Your left with nothing but 7 year theories and lies.

 

[zrinkill]

7 years? Thats a losing angle. I didnt like the pick but didnt complain about zekes play until pollard was here and it was all too obvious.

Bozos like you simply cantle handle i nailed it all.

Poor guy. Do you miss your hero?

Every year ...... you said it ...... don't crawdad now boy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Every year ...... you said it ...... don't crawdad now boy.

So go find it. Good luck

You got nothin boy!!

 

[kskboys]

I get your main point even though some are pretending not to. You and I have been consistent in our estimation that if the Cowboys try to use Pollard in the same fashion that they used Zeke he will fail. Not because "he sucks" or anything so grade school but because it's not the best use of his talents. He is NOT a 20 carry a game back no matter how much money he is getting paid. Making more money does not give a guy more physical ability even though people repeatedly want to equate the two. Pollard is at his best when he is given the opportunity to work in space and when he is fresh and able to use his explosive quickness to exploit the defense. I have always maintained that once he became RB1 and thus the guy for whom the opposing defense spent all week preparing for the sledding was going to get tougher. We have seen that play out already. And it's not going to get any easier. What has to happen now is Pollard has to elevate HIS game to counter. But he will need the help of his line to get that done. That and his playcaller. I think he will be fine overall this season.. But I was never expecting 1500 yards 15 TDs and 5 ypc anyway.. I think we see more like 1200 yards 10-11 TDs and 4.5.. Which is perfectly acceptable. Then again there is always the possibility that he goes off for 175 against some chump defense. You just never know..

Very well stated.

I'm continually amazed at how people don't understand player types.

 

[fansince68]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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The problem....we couldn't force ourselves to make Zeke a backup on this team. Zeke "ate" too many carries under our previous OC.

 

[Cowboyluck]

We just need to hand the ball to Parsons on the goal. He is out short yardage back. Lol

 

[conner01]

That many touches in a game like that seemed really stupid, especially since the ground game wasn't really effective anyway.

It wasn’t about the yards but the clock
MM had a lead and his goal became to shorten the game. And with this defense it’s a logical approach. It’s not about stats or running up the scre to MM, it’s about winning and it’s been effective so far. There will be games we have to get aggressive but no reason to till you have to

 

[conner01]

The problem....we couldn't force ourselves to make Zeke a backup on this team. Zeke "ate" too many carries under our previous OC.

Zeke would have been great at short yardage and limited carries but his contract made it impossible to keep him in that role. That should have been his role last year

 

[blueblood70]

The problem....we couldn't force ourselves to make Zeke a backup on this team. Zeke "ate" too many carries under our previous OC.

well at this point it's no longer about Zeke but more so, in my opinion find a better role for Luepke or someone else for short yardage... i think our goal line and short yard to be given out to other running backs, as this was not hate on tony thread but more hes not built for these carries and i want him fresh to be his former self.. his last six games he has not been himself...

i just simply want him to be able to stay fresher and get that burst and big playability back. i simply would be OK with only giving TP 14-16 carries a game if that kept his big playability there...

 

[blueblood70]

I would keep his average number of carries to 20 or less.

He averaged 19.5 carries per game this season.

They played way more total offensive snaps vs Jets than vs Giants which is why he had more carries.

Pollard Carries
14 vs Giants
25 vs Jets

Total Team Offense Snaps
58 vs Giants
87 vs Jets

well at this point it's no longer about Zeke vs tp for me, but more so, in my opinion find a better role for Luepke or someone else for short yardage or to eat clock at the end... i think our goal line and short yard to be given out to other running backs, as this was not hate on tony thread but more hes not built for these carries and i want him fresh to be his former self.. his last six games he has not been himself...

i just simply want him to be able to stay fresher and get that burst and big playability back. i simply would be OK with only giving TP 14-16 carries a game if that kept his big playability there...

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Zeke would have been great at short yardage and limited carries but his contract made it impossible to keep him in that role. That should have been his role last year

I wouldn’t have minded Zeke back in that role and as RB2, but only at an insanely reduced price. Zeke managed to steal another $3M from the Pats.

Good for him; it will be his last payday.

I also stand on my prediction that he’ll never sniff 10,000 yards rushing. No team will ever let him tote the rock like we did.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It wasn’t about the yards but the clock
MM had a lead and his goal became to shorten the game. And with this defense it’s a logical approach. It’s not about stats or running up the scre to MM, it’s about winning and it’s been effective so far. There will be games we have to get aggressive but no reason to till you have to

Nonsense. TOP was defined, entirely, by the Jets' inability to move the ball and Dallas' ability to the throw the ball.

On the best drive in the second half (12 plays, 71 yards, 6:21), all four first downs Dallas got were converted through the air. On first- and second-and-goal, they ran the ball twice for -2 yards, killing the drive.

TOP is independent of running the football. It is dependent on generating first downs, which you do by throwing.

 

[conner01]

Nonsense. TOP was defined, entirely, by the Jets' inability to move the ball and Dallas' ability to the throw the ball.

On the best drive in the second half (12 plays, 71 yards, 6:21), all four first downs Dallas got were converted through the air. On first- and second-and-goal, they ran the ball twice for -2 yards, killing the drive.

TOP is independent of running the football. It is dependent on generating first downs, which you do by throwing.

I disagree completely and it was obvious they were milking the clock.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

7 years? Thats a losing angle. I didnt like the pick but didnt complain about zekes play until pollard was here and it was all too obvious.

Bozos like you simply cantle handle i nailed it all.

Poor guy. Do you miss your hero?

And i never said zeke woukdnt be here. Lol

It was the opposite. I had no confidence jones would man up.

Your left with nothing but 7 year theories and lies.

But you did complain. You said "Zeke is only rushing champion because of number of carries".

I showed you Emmitt's number of carries and you promptly put me on ignore.

You think I forgot? LOL.

I know...I'm still on ignore. Just showing others they are right about ya.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nonsense. TOP was defined, entirely, by the Jets' inability to move the ball and Dallas' ability to the throw the ball.

On the best drive in the second half (12 plays, 71 yards, 6:21), all four first downs Dallas got were converted through the air. On first- and second-and-goal, they ran the ball twice for -2 yards, killing the drive.

TOP is independent of running the football. It is dependent on generating first downs, which you do by throwing.

1st time i've heard...ever...that throwing the football increases TOP more than running.

Ever.

I do concur about 1st downs....that's obvious.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke would have been great at short yardage and limited carries but his contract made it impossible to keep him in that role. That should have been his role last year

I'm not entirely sure what went on last year. Zeke was injured and played. He wasn't playing particularly well...and played.

I guess suck the last remaining dollars out of his body?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

1st time i've heard...ever...that throwing the football increases TOP more than running.

Ever.

I do concur about 1st downs....that's obvious.

The best way to get first downs is throw the ball so...