CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[coult44]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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He’s a RB, who cares? This is 2023, and he NFL is a passing league. I only care about his TDs, his pass receptions, his YAC, and his pass protection. Anything else is irrelevant.

 

[plasticman]

Zeke typically started each season with less productivity and gradually increased by around the 5th to 6th game, even in his best years.

I think most will agree that Zeke's best years was his first three, minus the suspension.

The average yards per carry for the combined 1st and 2nd games for those three seasons was 3.7 yards. For the combined 3rd and 4th games, it was 5.3 yards per carry.

Pollard is averaging 3.6 yards a carry....in these first two games. Let's see what he does in the next two. I think that would be fair.

 

[CCBoy]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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Just like in MLB and a pitch count, Tony Pollard is on a statistical touch count that is noted.

 

[DogFace]

My bad....

No problem at all brother!! And I do agree that overusing Pollard takes away his explosiveness.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke never played when he didn't want to play. Never played when he was too injured to play. He's never claimed either. He tapped out when he was tired, as is appropriate.

If you don't want to be a bro who who happens to disagree...it again shows you are in so deep with crazy overly emotional connection to Zeke. You can't see straight.

Some players will sit with a hangnail. Some will play if asked. Coaches, team doctors, GM's need to regulate playing time and injuries.

If you don't understand Zeke's commitment and team loyalty, and intense love for the game by now you have your own emotional dystopia.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It was a joke…he said someone’s going to say he was just being negative.

I thought it was funny. Someone had to do it.

 

[TRUTH87]

He needs to start popping some big plays. I hope he does. If not he can walk at the end of the year and we can bring in some fresh legs.

personally i think he’s gone. you save $ and RB is plug and play.

 

[CowboyRoy]

IMO you have to look at the way McCarthy used RB's at Green Bay....then take into account DAK has to spread the ball around now more than ever, You got TP, Cook, Gallup, CD Lamb, Ferguson.... So the days of a dominate RB are gone....it's about balance and ball control

But the good news is TP - 39 carries for 142yds and 3.6yds per carry...not to bad...but the dude gets a SOLID 20pts in Fantasy,,,and thats what counts...lol

Yah that 3.6 is not good, but I have no doubt thats going up. Most of those carries were the Jets game.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Says the biggest Zeke crybaby on the forum.

You mean I am the most accurate Zeke and Pollard prognosticator in the history?

 

[blueblood70]

Well thought out and interesting debate. To me I was more impressed he got 25 carries in a physical game. Too early to tell what work load is right for Pollard or make any judgements that he's handling too much.

-We're 2 games in, go ask the Raiders if Josh Jacobs isnt a feature back because he started the season averaging 1.6 a carry.
-Pollard had a good game against the Giants. Against the Jets the only quarter that was good on the ground was Q3, but he had a better first half than 2nd half. So hard to argue he got too much work in the 1st half which limited production in half 2.
-Tough to judge the 4th quarter because the Cowboys ran him to take time off the clock and the Jets were setting up to stop it. They probably could have mixed in Rico and Vaughn for a few more carries, but probably truated Pollard more.

Here's the issue with you saying I should compare Jacobs who's always been a lead back college and pros led the league in rushing...

we already know what Pollard is he's not gonna get different putting 25 carries on his body in game two, was a mistake in my opinion.. He will wear down we already saw what happened last year we have not seen a big play where is that burst for a touchdown since about let's say week 14 somewhere around there the last five games....​

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I'd literally put why we need to back off on the carries for him because of what we saw last year what we know of him he'd be better you want to call him a number one back that's fine, who cares who the number one back is by title, he can have the most carries but he is not a number one lead back... he needs his carries reduced in order to get back to who he really is...​

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He literally finished the season last five games 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no big runs 51 yards per game and hurt twice,​

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he lost what he had in the middle of the season because they gave him too many carries... And now we saw it again 3 yards per carry, he needs less carries.. It's right there in front of all to see.. We just need to keep this guy as fresh as possible for the games in which we really need him to be Tony Pollard the guy who can break one at any moment he hasn't done that in six games.. We can wear down Rico dowdle Malik Davis, Luepke, deuce Vaughn all those dudes but we need Tony Pollard for $10 million to be ready to have fresh legs and big carries against the 49ers and against the Eagles against Miami and in the playoffs.. He literally should be under a load management in my opinion I think them doing this 25 carries was to show the world they believe he's a number one back and why they kept him for $10 million and I gotta say in my opinion is a philosophical mistake...​

 

[blueblood70]

He’s a RB, who cares? This is 2023, and he NFL is a passing league. I only care about his TDs, his pass receptions, his YAC, and his pass protection. Anything else is irrelevant.

Eye care and the fact that you replied makes me think you care so why don't you go somewhere stick your head in a hole and don't bother me if this isn't your cup of tea move on... I'm a strong coffee man myself so don't come at me because I'm gonna just tell you don't bother trying to tell me how I should look at the running back position I care people cared the last three years nothing but hate and people pointing out game to game how Ezekiel Elliott lost the step because his yards per carry was low well here we are Tony Pollard hasn't done much of anything the last six games he's kept played as far as yards per carry go it matters a back like him should be closer to five yards per carry that's who he is he's a guy we need for $10 million to have burst and to break the big plays to break the back of some of the teams we're gonna need to beat later..

 

[blueblood70]

Just like in MLB and a pitch count, Tony Pollard is on a statistical touch count that is noted.

No they literally paid the man $10 million to be who he was in the middle of last season not the last six games and I'm telling you it's the wrong way to use a guy even if he's here only for this year if you want him to be fresher and ready to go in the games we really need the extra plays against the Eagles and 49ers and in the playoffs.. That's what I'm saying the man is being judged game to game because that's all we have to go by and by the way I didn't see anybody coming to the aid of Ezekiel Elliott when they judged him game to game hell they judged him in practice and said that he looked fat and slow and they mocked him when he was running around barrels but then he comes out in the first half of both seasons and gets close to five yards per carry before injury the man's nothing but hated on game to game practice to practice and now turn about is fair play to all the people who mocked Ezekiel Elliott here I am saying how does it feel when your boy is also called out?? We can judge his full season when the season is played out but right now we're judging them week to week yeah that's how we do it with all players but especially guys like Ezekiel Elliott and that other guy over there that's been here since 2016.. They are judged game to game heck some of these dudes are judge snapped to snap.. And somehow Tony polar became coated with Teflon that that we can't criticize them when I see three yards per carry is a lot lower than most Ezekiel Elliott games????

 

[CCBoy]

No they literally paid the man $10 million to be who he was in the middle of last season not the last six games and I'm telling you it's the wrong way to use a guy even if he's here only for this year if you want him to be fresher and ready to go in the games we really need the extra plays against the Eagles and 49ers and in the playoffs.. That's what I'm saying the man is being judged game to game because that's all we have to go by and by the way I didn't see anybody coming to the aid of Ezekiel Elliott when they judged him game to game hell they judged him in practice and said that he looked fat and slow and they mocked him when he was running around barrels but then he comes out in the first half of both seasons and gets close to five yards per carry before injury the man's nothing but hated on game to game practice to practice and now turn about is fair play to all the people who mocked Ezekiel Elliott here I am saying how does it feel when your boy is also called out?? We can judge his full season when the season is played out but right now we're judging them week to week yeah that's how we do it with all players but especially guys like Ezekiel Elliott and that other guy over there that's been here since 2016.. They are judged game to game heck some of these dudes are judge snapped to snap.. And somehow Tony polar became coated with Teflon that that we can't criticize them when I see three yards per carry is a lot lower than most Ezekiel Elliott games????

That is only some of the picture...as the cap walked a ton of desert terrain to get where it now projects strongly into the future and with is still an affordable picture with that talent projection.

San Francisco went through this point once where the franchise floundered for about 8 years going through it. Dallas lost a dynasty.

Dallas will go to a seasoned veteran primarily. But we are no where approaching value of an observation yet. Get the offensive line fully on the carpet and start paying attention then...

 

[zrinkill]

You mean I am the most accurate Zeke and Pollard prognosticator in the history?

No ..... I said what a meant

You cried about Zeke for his entire career and moronically puffed out your chest 7 years later

 

[Creeper]

Right so we're wasting money $10 million on Tony Pollard cause any bat can get three yards per carry thank you thank you for finally seeing the light if you get paid you're gonna get criticized right now Tony Pollard does not look special he looks average and it's because he's not being utilized the way he was when zeke took all The Dirty work and all the criticism.. I'm finally we got to a point where people are starting to figure it out This is why I made this post.. We just spent $10 million on a running back that can average 3 yards per carry..

I think the paid Pollard $10 million on a franchise tag because they were letting Zeke go and wanted to keep at least 1 experienced RB on the roster. Plus, you have to admit Pollard looked pretty good last year. But the point is, the deal is for 1 year. Pollard will probably be gone after this year. I do not see them giving him a long term deal.

But give him time this year. The Cowboys running game looks a little weak right now but the offensive line and RB did not play a snap in preseason so they may need some time to gel. Pollard is going to get his big runs here and there. Although, I admit he does not look as fast as he did last year before his injury. Twice he has been caught from behind on long runs. It seems like last year he would have outrun the defense to the end zone. Still, he is coming off an injury and may need to shake off the inactivity.

 

[blueblood70]

I think the paid Pollard $10 million on a franchise tag because they were letting Zeke go and wanted to keep at least 1 experienced RB on the roster. Plus, you have to admit Pollard looked pretty good last year. But the point is, the deal is for 1 year. Pollard will probably be gone after this year. I do not see them giving him a long term deal.

But give him time this year. The Cowboys running game looks a little weak right now but the offensive line and RB did not play a snap in preseason so they may need some time to gel. Pollard is going to get his big runs here and there. Although, I admit he does not look as fast as he did last year before his injury. Twice he has been caught from behind on long runs. It seems like last year he would have outrun the defense to the end zone. Still, he is coming off an injury and may need to shake off the inactivity.

I think you're overlooking the part that I added on purpose go back to last year last five games 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no explosive plays 51 yards per game and now he starts off the year this way also he had two injuries I'm just saying I think they're need to reevaluate and take some snaps away from him because I want him to get his legs back and you can't do that giving a man 25 carries that should only have about 16... If we want him to be in the big games and the Eagles and the 49ers in the playoffs we need to have some kind of real snap count for the man I don't care how much money he makes we want to see the old Tony Pollard that disappeared at the end of last year not just this year you guys don't read everything I know I ramble on but that was an important fact...

 

[RonnieT24]

I think you're overlooking the part that I added on purpose go back to last year last five games 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no explosive plays 51 yards per game and now he starts off the year this way also he had two injuries I'm just saying I think they're need to reevaluate and take some snaps away from him because I want him to get his legs back and you can't do that giving a man 25 carries that should only have about 16... If we want him to be in the big games and the Eagles and the 49ers in the playoffs we need to have some kind of real snap count for the man I don't care how much money he makes we want to see the old Tony Pollard that disappeared at the end of last year not just this year you guys don't read everything I know I ramble on but that was an important fact...

I get your main point even though some are pretending not to. You and I have been consistent in our estimation that if the Cowboys try to use Pollard in the same fashion that they used Zeke he will fail. Not because "he sucks" or anything so grade school but because it's not the best use of his talents. He is NOT a 20 carry a game back no matter how much money he is getting paid. Making more money does not give a guy more physical ability even though people repeatedly want to equate the two. Pollard is at his best when he is given the opportunity to work in space and when he is fresh and able to use his explosive quickness to exploit the defense. I have always maintained that once he became RB1 and thus the guy for whom the opposing defense spent all week preparing for the sledding was going to get tougher. We have seen that play out already. And it's not going to get any easier. What has to happen now is Pollard has to elevate HIS game to counter. But he will need the help of his line to get that done. That and his playcaller. I think he will be fine overall this season.. But I was never expecting 1500 yards 15 TDs and 5 ypc anyway.. I think we see more like 1200 yards 10-11 TDs and 4.5.. Which is perfectly acceptable. Then again there is always the possibility that he goes off for 175 against some chump defense. You just never know..

 

[blueblood70]

I get your main point even though some are pretending not to. You and I have been consistent in our estimation that if the Cowboys try to use Pollard in the same fashion that they used Zeke he will fail. Not because "he sucks" or anything so grade school but because it's not the best use of his talents. He is NOT a 20 carry a game back no matter how much money he is getting paid. Making more money does not give a guy more physical ability even though people repeatedly want to equate the two. Pollard is at his best when he is given the opportunity to work in space and when he is fresh and able to use his explosive quickness to exploit the defense. I have always maintained that once he became RB1 and thus the guy for whom the opposing defense spent all week preparing for the sledding was going to get tougher. We have seen that play out already. And it's not going to get any easier. What has to happen now is Pollard has to elevate HIS game to counter. But he will need the help of his line to get that done. That and his playcaller. I think he will be fine overall this season.. But I was never expecting 1500 yards 15 TDs and 5 ypc anyway.. I think we see more like 1200 yards 10-11 TDs and 4.5.. Which is perfectly acceptable. Then again there is always the possibility that he goes off for 175 against some chump defense. You just never know..

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right and also might be has something to do with Tyler Smith out Zach Martin with a groin and ankle and Terrence steel making it back first couple of games if we get all them dudes together maybe he'll break a couple

 

[RonnieT24]

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right and also might be has something to do with Tyler Smith out Zach Martin with a groin and ankle and Terrence steel making it back first couple of games if we get all them dudes together maybe he'll break a couple

True... it's almost like a back needs blocking to succeed.. Who knew?

 

[xwalker]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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I would keep his average number of carries to 20 or less.

He averaged 19.5 carries per game this season.

They played way more total offensive snaps vs Jets than vs Giants which is why he had more carries.

Pollard Carries
14 vs Giants
25 vs Jets

Total Team Offense Snaps
58 vs Giants
87 vs Jets