No QB no defense

[boysfanindc]

Do you really think we can do anything in the draft to make our defense that kind of defense?

I do, sometimes we talk about the D as the dregs of the earth, they where middle of the pack in both yards and point last year, when we had a O that did absolutely nothing and put them in a lot of bad situations.

I think we are 2 players away from having a pretty good D (as long as we have health and the ends stay off their drugs)

We need to add someone who can make plays in the secondary and someone who can bring pressure from the D line.

If we get this and have the O do their job with Romo, Dez and Morris I think you can see a D that is quickly top 10.

Another LB would also be nice unless Wilson steps up we may have them already.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Sorry but Elliot ain't done nothing "special". College ball ain't the same. The spread offense inflates QB, WR and RB Stats.

I agree. But for all we know, Jalen Ramsey could be another Mo Claiborne and Joey Bosa could be another Vernon Gholston. There's risk at every position. Running backs, however, tend to face the easiest transition. Elliott has such good vision and explosion he'd excel in any type of offense. Just my opinion.

 

[Vinnie2u]

I agree. But for all we know, Jalen Ramsey could be another Mo Claiborne and Joey Bosa could be another Vernon Gholston. There's risk at every position. Running backs, however, tend to face the easiest transition. Elliott has such good vision and explosion he'd excel in any type of offense. Just my opinion.

True we all have our opinions. Murray was a 3 round pick. Our Oline is getting better and our DLine is getting worse. Resources should be used to upgrade the talent.

 

[jnday]

Most overrated player here since DeCastro.

DeCastro was really overrated. He is an All-Pro, but let's overlook that. Nobody was wrong about him except the ones that doubted him. His career is much better than Mo's career, who we took that year.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

True we all have our opinions. Murray was a 3 round pick. Our Oline is getting better and our DLine is getting worse. Resources should be used to upgrade the talent.

At this point I don't think the Cowboys can lose at number 4. There's such strong arguments to be made for Ramsey, Elliott, and Bosa that prove it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

DeCastro was really overrated. He is an All-Pro, but let's overlook that. Nobody was wrong about him except the ones that doubted him. His career is much better than Mo's career, who we took that year.

He had a good year after he improved his strength. He was touted as the second coming of John Hannah. I'm not saying that Zeke is bad. I just think this notion that he is blue chip is a significant overrating.

 

[jnday]

He had a good year after he improved his strength. He was touted as the second coming of John Hannah. I'm not saying that Zeke is bad. I just think this notion that he is blue chip is a significant overrating.

Zeke may bust , but DeCastro may end up better than Hannah. He is s young All-Pro with a long career ahead of him. He was hurt his rookie season , but he was not overrated at all.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

How did other defenses do it?

Wave a wand?

For that matter how did we do it in 2014?

Most defenses are built over a period of time. Right now, outside of Scandrick, we don't have a corner that is any more than average and by the stats, they are worse than average. At safety, Jones might be a player, but whoever is next to him right now is very limited. LB's are good, not great, as much as we want them to be. On the DL, we don't have a single difference maker with the exception possibly of Lawrence, who is coming off a back surgery.

THe likelihood of getting a day one impact DE is almost nil going on history.

As for 2014, we did it by limiting the time they were on the field. We might be better served turning this into an incredible offensive team than trying to rebuild the defense. Elliott and the best WR in Rd 2 might be the best help we could possibly get Romo.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I do, sometimes we talk about the D as the dregs of the earth, they where middle of the pack in both yards and point last year, when we had a O that did absolutely nothing and put them in a lot of bad situations.

I think we are 2 players away from having a pretty good D (as long as we have health and the ends stay off their drugs)

We need to add someone who can make plays in the secondary and someone who can bring pressure from the D line.

If we get this and have the O do their job with Romo, Dez and Morris I think you can see a D that is quickly top 10.

Another LB would also be nice unless Wilson steps up we may have them already.

I don't really disagree, but it's hard to get immediate pass rush help in the draft and we have only been trying to get a playmaker in the secondary since....well, forever.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Zeke may bust , but DeCastro may end up better than Hannah. He is s young All-Pro with a long career ahead of him. He was hurt his rookie season , but he was not overrated at all.

We'll see. He was drafted in 2012 and will be in his 5th year next season. He was weak early in his career. Dareus turning and accordioning DeCastro like David Arkin got him hurt pretty badly his first year for example.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Most overrated player here since DeCastro.

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[PJTHEDOORS]

since the top 2 Qbs are off the board and we can't can't reach for one at 4 why not surround Romo with some young talent?
Don't we owe it to him? The man took beatings year after year due to lack of talent along the oline. Why can't we give him some shinny, new, talented weapons. I wouldn't be mad one bit if we took Zeke at 4 and drafted a talented WR in the second. I think we owe it to him to give him a shot to win it all within these next 3 years.
Let's face it, a stud corner or DE isn't going to take pressure off of Romo.

We can surround the team, not just Romo, with some young talent. Give them all some shinny, new, talented weapons.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Dez yes. Witten is getting old and is not much of a weapon at all. Mc chicken a street free agent and a guy coming off a blown knee isn't what I would call decent.
How do you guys expect to beat Seattle or Carolina with no offense? Look at what Carolina did to us on thanksgiving with decent running backs? What did we do in Seattle two years ago with a real running back?

Romo better score around 80 ppg to give us a chance to win, since our d will be....we know what.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You were saying...http://i1133.***BLOCKED***/albums/m600/DWAREZIZ/image_1.jpeg

You're trying too hard.

 

[TheHerd]

Most defenses are built over a period of time. Right now, outside of Scandrick, we don't have a corner that is any more than average and by the stats, they are worse than average. At safety, Jones might be a player, but whoever is next to him right now is very limited. LB's are good, not great, as much as we want them to be. On the DL, we don't have a single difference maker with the exception possibly of Lawrence, who is coming off a back surgery.

THe likelihood of getting a day one impact DE is almost nil going on history.

As for 2014, we did it by limiting the time they were on the field. We might be better served turning this into an incredible offensive team than trying to rebuild the defense. Elliott and the best WR in Rd 2 might be the best help we could possibly get Romo.

We did it in 2014 by having a QB who converted a record pct of 3rd and 8+. A fair number of Murray's yards were on drives extended by Romo converting 3rd and longs. But no one seems to remember that, and oh yeah, Romo sucks.

 

[Craig]

Are people just trolling with these elliott threads. This is way beyond absurd.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You're trying too hard.

Better?http://i1133.***BLOCKED***/albums/m600/DWAREZIZ/image.jpeg

Front brain Fuzzy, no binary thinking!

 

[fortdick]

since the top 2 Qbs are off the board and we can't can't reach for one at 4 why not surround Romo with some young talent?
Don't we owe it to him? The man took beatings year after year due to lack of talent along the oline. Why can't we give him some shinny, new, talented weapons. I wouldn't be mad one bit if we took Zeke at 4 and drafted a talented WR in the second. I think we owe it to him to give him a shot to win it all within these next 3 years.
Let's face it, a stud corner or DE isn't going to take pressure off of Romo.

I would agree, but we could not pick a WR that be viewed as a threat to take catches or glory from Dez. He would go nuts if he wasn't t the center of the world.

 

[big dog cowboy]

since the top 2 Qbs are off the board and we can't can't reach for one at 4 why not surround Romo with some young talent?
Don't we owe it to him? The man took beatings year after year due to lack of talent along the oline. Why can't we give him some shinny, new, talented weapons. I wouldn't be mad one bit if we took Zeke at 4 and drafted a talented WR in the second. I think we owe it to him to give him a shot to win it all within these next 3 years.
Let's face it, a stud corner or DE isn't going to take pressure off of Romo.

Best way we could help Romo is to build a denfense that can shut teams down.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Most defenses are built over a period of time. Right now, outside of Scandrick, we don't have a corner that is any more than average and by the stats, they are worse than average. At safety, Jones might be a player, but whoever is next to him right now is very limited. LB's are good, not great, as much as we want them to be. On the DL, we don't have a single difference maker with the exception possibly of Lawrence, who is coming off a back surgery.

THe likelihood of getting a day one impact DE is almost nil going on history.

As for 2014, we did it by limiting the time they were on the field. We might be better served turning this into an incredible offensive team than trying to rebuild the defense. Elliott and the best WR in Rd 2 might be the best help we could possibly get Romo.

The defense spent 1 extra minute on the field in 2015 vs 2014.

WE cannot simply ignore the defense because we think it will take time to build. That is...backwards.