Twitter: No runningback in league hurts their team more

[Risen Star]

 

[Denim Chicken]

Just because someone can arbitrarily assign numbers to stuff doesn’t make them useful or truthful statistics.

...and just because you don't understand them doesn't make it untruthful or useless.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If you think Zeke is one of the worst RBs in the league, you either have an agenda or you're an absolute fool

I'm fairly certain they aren't even saying that

The graph looks like it's just correlating wins vs salary. So in essence a cheap starting RB on a good team that isn't producing much will be in a better quadrant than an expensive RB who is playing well on a bad team

 

[blumayne38]

And it's not particularly close. If the guy doesn't have three all-pros blocking for him he becomes one of the worst starting RBs in the league.

Trust no man with a butt chin, lol I kid

 

[Praxit]

..when he was photographed in Golf Cart in Cabo, that was huge red flag. I would not sign someone with 2 yrs still on his contract.

 

[RamziD]

The sooner we can move on from Zeke the better. I don’t care about immediate cap savings.

 

[CATCH17]

I remember on this forum when saying Zeke shouldn’t get paid back then was about like saying Dak shouldn’t be paid now.

 

[TheDude]

Just because someone can arbitrarily assign numbers to stuff doesn’t make them useful or truthful statistics. That is just nonsense. Zeke hasn’t been great this year but anything saying he is a liability or bottom of the league is utter foolishness

He has more fumbles and lost fumbles than ay RB in the league...and a doinked dropped pass that went for interception. If you watch the games and see his burst trails (never exceeds) the competition then not sure a your qualitative assessment can challenge a quantitative methodology - even if it has holes

 

[TheDude]

Win probability-using the outcome of a play, or set of plays in this instance, and using all prior data points from the same instance to determine how much more/less likely the team is to win after the result of the play.

It is very similiar to EPA if you are familiar.

This chart shows two major things:
1. Zeke's touches have lost the Cowboys an estimated 1.5 games this season alone, which is a whole half game more than the next closest RB.

2. Only one RB with a -.5 game win probability don't have near the contract Zeke does.


If you have anything of substance to say he isn't then you will look like less of a fool... but for now. Yikes.

Exactly

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles

Only QBs have fumbled more and only 2 QBs have los more fumbles. He is marion Barber without the punch/stiff arm - has strength but no real speed or vision

 

[Jake]

And it's not particularly close. If the guy doesn't have three all-pros blocking for him he becomes one of the worst starting RBs in the league.

Math is hard.

"Win probability" takes in a lot of factors, like overcoming the worst stinkin' defense in the NFL.

Zeke could rush for 150 yards a game and it wouldn't matter when the defense gives up 300.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I'm SLEEP!

 

[T-RO]

Have no idea what they're calculating or how. Are they just saying the Cowboys won less football games in 2020 when he played?

No. It's based on a combination of advanced stats like yards after contact, yards-per-pass-attempt when he's the target, fumbles, etc. They collect all the player stats into something called "Total Win Probability Added".

Each position on the field has different stats and measurables that gets totaled into expected team wins.

 

[aria]

Another good stat by the OP and one that @rocyaice and @RonnieT24 will refuse to acknowledge. If they do, I’m sure there’s a very valid excuse

 

[buybuydandavis]

And it's not particularly close. If the guy doesn't have three all-pros blocking for him he becomes one of the worst starting RBs in the league.

Lots of excuses for Zeke, but the *data* is clear.

 

[buybuydandavis]

And it's not particularly close. If the guy doesn't have three all-pros blocking for him he becomes one of the worst starting RBs in the league.

6 fumbles. Worst Qb rating when thrown to on the team. Lower ypc than Pollard by 0.8 yards.

Turnovers cost games. Production efficiency is very low on touches. All the data points in the same direction.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Unfortunately it looks like you have to be a subscriber to read it unless I missed something which is very possible. I can sure as hell see that graph though, hehe.

Aria, you didn't miss out on anything. The author of the article was basically talking about the Titans' Derrick Henry and whether he is a 2 or 3 down RB, plus how he still is a huge contributor for the amount of money he's getting paid compared to Zeke and several other highest paid RBs in the league. Bottom line, the Cowboys have overpaid the most for Zeke for the lesser amount of production from him lately.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I thought this was going to be about his fumbles.

 

[kumizi]

Zeke believers: Zeke is a good running back.

Ok show me some evidence.

Well umm he leads the league in total rushing yards over the last five years.

Ok what does that have to do with 2020?

Well ummm his oline is hurt.

Ok now he gets to play behind an average run blocking o-line like most of the other backs in the league.

Yeah well you're stupid if you dont think Zeke is good.

okkkk........

 

[kumizi]

Just because someone can arbitrarily assign numbers to stuff doesn’t make them useful or truthful statistics. That is just nonsense. Zeke hasn’t been great this year but anything saying he is a liability or bottom of the league is utter foolishness

They're not arbitrary just because you dont know their methodology.

Plus none of these advanced methodologies are perfect. You dont have to conclusively say that Zeke is THE WORST RB in the league and this methodology is proof. But combine all the different ratings whether it's this one or PFF or the most basic stats like fumbles lost. There is nothing that suggest Zeke is still a good RB. Absolutely nothing other that people's memories from four years ago and inability to change their opinions.

 

[DandyDon52]

I dont like elliot, but to be fair, this year he isnt as bad as people think.
Aside from the fumbles, he doesnt get enough carries each game.
and the blocking schemes are awful. Play design awful, and a OC who has know clue how to implement a run game or why.