No UPSIDE in bringing Parcells back***MERGED Parcells sucks threads***

[jazzcat22]

why on earth would we want a guy that took 14 years to win a superbowl.
as much as you guys moan about bill not getting it done cowher hasn't proven he can get to the big game but twice and he lost the first time and it took him ten years to get back there.
Get off cowher already he is over rated.
unless you want 5 years of good records and no superbowls.

Didn't it take Landry, what 12 to get to one and lose, then won the next year?

 

[Big Country]

OH MY GOSH.......that is who I want. Rex Ryan would unleash the beast!!!!!!!! And he would probably bring Adaliues Thomas with him!

YES!!!!

 

[stealth]

Didn't it take Landry, what 12 to get to one and lose, then won the next year?

if landry was still alive I wouldn't want him either.

And I love landry.

 

[Big Country]

Bring Bill back.

Let us have another great offseason and let Bill leave the right way.

Hes still a good coach but Zimmer has got to go.

After next season Bill will retire and then we can go after Bill Cowher.

Its the smartest thing to do.

NO NO NO to Cowher... Get over it... Cowher IS NOT coming here!!!!

 

[dbair1967]

What makes you think the players qualify as "gourmet" in the first place?

Just cause they were drafted high?

ok, so its the players that are the problem?...why would you want the person picking all these bad players to continue here? is that person suddenly going to turn into a personnel genius and get all good people to replace all the one's that he has just picked? Other than a few guys who were here when he started, everyone on the roster has been handpicked by Parcells

you cant have it both ways...if he's a good personnel evaluator he obviously isnt coaching well, because the results arnt there...if its the players, he's to blame because he is signing off or deciding outright on who will be here

David

 

[DipChit]

ok, so its the players that are the problem?...why would you want the person picking all these bad players to continue here? is that person suddenly going to turn into a personnel genius and get all good people to replace all the one's that he has just picked? Other than a few guys who were here when he started, everyone on the roster has been handpicked by Parcells

you cant have it both ways...if he's a good personnel evaluator he obviously isnt coaching well, because the results arnt there...if its the players, he's to blame because he is signing off or deciding outright on who will be here

David

Oh for sure. One way or the other if one wants him gone they have justification.

I was just asking the OP why he chose to use the word gourmet.

Obviously when a coach wants to play a certain way and he's had success with it in the past, he's prolly going to need failry equivalent players if he wants to have the same success again.

Like Norv up in Washington. Nevermind W/L's as a HC, his offense was nothing like it was here. Because the players werent as good.

Shuler and Westbrook were drafted high.. pretty "gourmet" I guess, until they actually attempted to play at this level.

 

[kingwhicker]

:bang2::bang2::bang2:......get it through your heads....this is a copycat league...if Parcells wanted "exotic" blitzes, we would have them....that has ZERO to do with Zimmer....it is all Parcells people............WAKE UP

I remember everyone wanting Sean Paytons head on a platter last year...well what do you think about his play calling abilities now after he almost hung 50 on us in Texas stadium?

It is Parcells people....this is his baby...stop thinking different coordinators is going to fix this. The big dog needs to be removed...that would be Parcells

And for those wanting Cowher, we won't get Cowher cause the Skins will pay him a billion a year to coach them after that dionsaur Gibbs gets put to sleep after next season.

 

[dbair1967]

Oh for sure. One way or the other if one wants him gone they have justification.

I was just asking the OP why he chose to use the word gourmet.

Obviously when a coach wants to play a certain way and he's had success with it in the past, he's prolly going to need failry equivalent players if he wants to have the same success again.

Like Norv up in Washington. Nevermind W/L's as a HC, his offense was nothing like it was here. Because the players werent as good.

Shuler and Westbrook were drafted high.. pretty "gourmet" I guess, until they actually attempted to play at this level.

I'd totally agree if you want to say Norv is a better assistant than HC...however wherever he goes good offense follows...Frank Gore was a nobody in SF before he got there...he got great production in San Diego...did a great job in Miami...Norv's never had thr power to pick any players anywhere he's been though, and the guy running the show here DOES pick all the players

David

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, we aren't going to able to assemble one of the best collections of defensive talents on defense, highlighted by maybe the best defensive player (or best, period) who ever lived. In a salary capped, free agent league, we can't recreate the 80s Giants.

I think anyone who thinks our coaching is doing a good job just needs to watch the Jets today. They don't have more talent than we do by any means. Would anyone argue that they do? Yet they're an entirely new team this year with a new, innovative head coach.

 

[dbair1967]

Well, we aren't going to able to assemble one of the best collections of defensive talents on defense, highlighted by maybe the best defensive player (or best, period) who ever lived. In a salary capped, free agent league, we can't recreate the 80s Giants.

I think anyone who thinks our coaching is doing a good job just needs to watch the Jets today. They don't have more talent than we do by any means. Would anyone argue that they do? Yet they're an entirely new team this year with a new, innovative head coach.

and that young innovative coach also saw what he was doing wasnt working around midseason, totally changed what they are doing defensively and the results were dramatically improved

David

 

[Gaede]

I'd like to see Jerry Gray brought in for DC if Parcells stays...move back to the 4-3 maybe?

His defense in Buffalo was mean and aggressive...Don't know what happened in Washington this year, but hey, it's Washington

 

[DipChit]

I'm not saying totally replicate it, I'm just saying come somewhere even close.

Take Ware.. he's certainly no LT but you can see the playmaking ability. He wreaks some havoc from time to time. But the rest of our LB's are pretty ordinary at this point.

Now take Spears. Nevermind he's not good at getting the QB, he doesnt even think it's his job.

Good thing Leonard Marshall didnt think that way. He was DL of the year a couple times, amassed 83 sacks, double digits a number of times, yada yada.

You dont have to be a Parcells homer to suggest our front 7 isnt all that great man for man. Could a new coach get more out of them.. sure why not. But even that will take you only so far.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm not saying totally replicate it, I'm just saying come somewhere even close.

Take Ware.. he's certainly no LT but you can see the playmaking ability. He wreaks some havoc from time to time. But the rest of our LB's are pretty ordinary at this point.

Now take Spears. Nevermind he's not good at getting the QB, he doesnt even think it's his job.

Good thing Leonard Marshall didnt think that way. He was DL of the year a couple times, amassed 83 sacks, double digits a number of times, yada yada.

You dont have to be a Parcells homer to suggest our front 7 isnt all that great man for man. Could a new coach get more out of them.. sure why not. But even that will take you only so far.

its funny you mention Marshall, because Spears actually reminded me some of Marshall coming out...he was a pretty explosive player at times at LSU and definitely has alot of talent...but Spears played in a very aggressive 4-3 scheme at LSU, and this scheme is niether

Canty was never a good pass rusher in college in the 3-4, so I dont understand why people are surprised when he doesnt rush the passer now...

David

 

[dannywhites]

The sooner B.Parcells is gone ,the better.
4 years,4YEARS,and what do we have,a 9-7 team.
Alot of posters keep saying "well he has upgraded the talent base".
Oh really?
After 4 YEARS ,we go 9-7,again callapsing at the end of the year.
Tell me,has anyone watched the SAINTS,JETS and TITANS this year ?
Why can these teams,who we should have a heck of alot better talent than,play better as a team after ONE YEAR of rebuilding,than the Cowboys,who have had FOUR YEARS of rebuilding ?
Why can coachs such as B.Billick and T.Dungy be able to use the talent they have instead of insisting the talent fit what they WANT ?
Example : Billick was known for his offensive mind but relised defense was the base talent on the team,so he gave up his ego,and wins with "D".
With T.Dungy,its the other way around,he was always know for his defensive mind,but wins with offense,which is where the talent of his team is,again not trying to force his ego on the team.
With Parcells,he is too stubburn ,it has to be HIS way,HIS players,HIS glory when his teams win,but "not" HIS fault when his teams lose.
In todays NFL,you should not have to have 5 YEAR PLANS,just look at the Super Bowls of the last 6-8 years.
Give me a young coach,with some freakin fire.

 

[Michael88Irvin]

I was just asking the OP why he chose to use the word gourmet.

Obviously when a coach wants to play a certain way and he's had success with it in the past, he's prolly going to need failry equivalent players if he wants to have the same success again.

Main Entry: gour·met
Pronunciation: 'gur-"mA, gur-'
Function: noun
Definition: a connoisseur of food and drink
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Connoisseur (Definition): EXPERT; especially : one who understands the details, technique, or principles of an art and is competent to act as a critical judge.
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Parcells is a 'connoisseur' (expert) in choosing gourmet groceries (highly skilled player selection). However, being a 'connoisseur', does not mean you are a great chef.

Parcells always had Belichick doing the cooking on Defense. And he is OBVIOUSLY not an offensive coordinator. He needs to hire top notch chefs to prepare Defensive and Offensive Gameplans and Schemes AS WELL AS calling (COORDINATING) those plays in the game.

Simple as that. Parcells has assembled GREAT talent here... they are just not being utilized to their maximum capabilty.

Alternate analogy: Let's say you own the fastest formula one race car in the world... Would you rather have a 70 year old semi-blind country farmer or Michael Schumacher driving the car?

 

[cowboyeric8]

and that young innovative coach also saw what he was doing wasnt working around midseason, totally changed what they are doing defensively and the results were dramatically improved

David

Yep thats what a GOOD coach does. If something isn't working, they CHANGE it. Parcells is an old stubborn man and his generation of football no longer works, time to move on.

 

[noshame]

Just look a Peyton in NO. Does the offense he's running look anything like the one he was "forced" to run under Parcells? For crying out loud, even Zimmer wouldn't be running the cover2 if parcells weren't here.


He who want's, and has total control, takes total responsibillity.

 

[DipChit]

Well take a guy like Ekuban.. yeah he moves on and can be a 6 or 8 sack guy with a diff scheme.. thats nice. Still no prime time pass rusher though.

But the flipside is, at least to my way of thinking, theres guys who play in crappy schemes and still show flashes of brilliance.. the only difference is being in a crappy scheme you just dont see it as much as you otherwise would. Thats why theres usually a player a 2 on even the worst coached teams that you'd love to have on your side.

Just sayin I dont see much brilliance around here yet.. again, aside from Ware.

I aint the only one who thinks that. Like the comments from that scout that Choc posted the other day. Spears and Canty not getting it done and the LB's collectively not as good as you tend to see in other 3-4 teams.

 

[cowboyeric8]

He who want's, and has total control, takes total responsibillity.

But the sad thing is, the media and most fans don't think so. At least with our coach anyway.

 

[cowboyeric8]

I'm all for blaming some of the players too. But these guys were HANDPICKED by Parcells. So who should we blame. I'll go with the man in charge.