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[MapleLeaf]

I hear your point about having to carry another player, but you have to balance that against loosing 2-3 games last year because of missed fieldgoals. What other player are you going to add that can bring you that?

Really, the kicker is the one player whos play's directly translate to points. Sure there are 21 other players out there, but if they all do their job, they cancel themselves out and it comes to one person making a play

I will carry an extra player to the game for that.

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I do hear ya though.

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.

 

[BBQ101]

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.

Im going to have to go with keeping two kickers and having a player that knocks down the 50 yarder to put us up by three scores.

Besides the run back (which I admit was a big play on their part), we did ok on kickoff coverage. Did you see that return by the way? Almost our whole special team seemed to be runnign down the wrong side of the field. The Commanders took that to the other side, and the guy was untouched until the kicker. I don't think one player make the difference on that. You gotta get more people around the ball....that was just outright terrible special team play there...

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[DallasEast]

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.

Me, too, David. Me, too.

 

[Seven]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

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Nope. I hate him. After last year and the way this one started, I'm officially riding shotgun on Hos' I hate kickers wagon.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Im going to have to go with keeping two kickers and having a player that knocks down the 50 yarder to put us up by three scores.

Besides the run back (which I admit was a big play on their part), we did ok on kickoff coverage. Did you see that return by the way? Almost our whole special team seemed to be runnign down the wrong side of the field. The Commanders took that to the other side, and the guy was untouched until the kicker. I don't think one player make the difference on that. You gotta get more people around the ball....that was just outright terrible special team play there...

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... that I just viewed just before I posted back to you. Coming up the middle and huffing his way behind Cartwright as he blew past him was Carpenter.

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

Also, his second kickoff return after the TD runback was for 30 yards. So there was some special teams problems today.

 

[DallasEast]

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

I'm sure you're correct about the other three, David, but Reeves was active tonight. If I'm not mistaken, he almost downed a punt at the 1-yard line.

 

[jrumann59]

... that I just viewed just before I posted back to you. Coming up the middle and huffing his way behind Cartwright as he blew past him was Carpenter.

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

Also, his second kickoff return after the TD runback was for 30 yards. So there was some special teams problems today.

Reeves, played he had a oopsies on the McBriar Punt when he could have pinned the skins on the 1 yd line. Rector was inactive.

 

[BlueStar22]

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.

not having anyone to bust up the wedge cost us on that run back.

 

[BBQ101]

... that I just viewed just before I posted back to you. Coming up the middle and huffing his way behind Cartwright as he blew past him was Carpenter.

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

Also, his second kickoff return after the TD runback was for 30 yards. So there was some special teams problems today.

This is true...But how many touchbacks did we get? Its not like Suisham brings nothing to the table. He is kicking that think into the endzone. He may be keeping a special teamer off the team, but he is a pretty "special" special teamer too. And lets not forget why we have him active. Field goal kicking is special teams too. You would not keep Suisham active in order to keep a player that kicks 87% from the field. Did you watch our field goal team last year?

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[Cbz40]

Vanderjagt kept me from going into hyperventilation......he stays. With a 3 possession lead I finally was able to relax ....a little.

 

[DallasEast]

You would not keep Suisham active in order to keep a player that kicks 87% from the field. Did you watch our field goal team last year?

If our 87% field goal kicker would kickoff, there would be zero need to keep Suisham UNLESS Suisham could guarantee that 95% or more of his kickoffs would land (deep) in the endzone.

 

[BBQ101]

By the way, I havn't seen the stat...what was there average starting field position on kickoffs? I think we did pretty good. Just a gut feel...I dont' have the stat.

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[MapleLeaf]

I'm sure you're correct about the other three, David, but Reeves was active tonight. If I'm not mistaken, he almost downed a punt at the 1-yard line.

...in following the gamebook who also had the error. After you mentioned it I remeber the play now at the goal line.

 

[BBQ101]

If our 87% field goal kicker would kickoff, there would be zero need to keep Suisham UNLESS Suisham could guarantee that 95% or more of his kickoffs would land (deep) in the endzone.

95%? Come on...who else in the league does that?

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Personally,

I feel better about our special teams this year over all than last year. If we need to keep two kickers to nail game clinching field goals, then so be it.

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[DallasEast]

95%? Come on...who else in the league does that?

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Personally,

I feel better about our special teams this year over all than last year. If we need to keep two kickers to nail game clinching field goals, then so be it.

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Vanderjadt is our designated placekicker and a very expensive one at that. Suisham is our kickoff specialist.

If Suisham's only expected job is to kickoff, do you want him booming short kickoffs?

 

[BBQ101]

Vanderjadt is our designated placekicker and a very expensive one at that. Suisham is our kickoff specialist.

If Suisham's only expected job is to kickoff, do you want him booming short kickoffs?

Of course not. Be he didn't kickoff short. Even the run back was for 100 yards... he kicked it to the endzone. I don't know the stat, but he may have been near to 95% tonight. Although I still think 95% is unrealistic...no one in the league does it.

Just from memory, all the kicks landed inside the 10, and it might have been all of them inside the 5. Most of them were kicked to the endzone.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think Suisham is just a hell of a special team addition. He had some really nice kickoffs. The run back for a touchdown was just horrible coverage.

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[CanadianCowboysFan]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

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When he hit that 50 yarder, you could almost see the weight of nine months lifted from his shoulders.

 

[Garland powerplay]

Awesome ! He nailed it. Kickers being vital to the game. It should be no objection to carrying two after the problems The Cowboys have had over the past couple years.

 

[Danny White]

Vinatieri suffered a groin injury today and left the game...

how ironic! Our idiot kicker recovers from his groin and boots a 50 yarder, and everyone's favorite son hurts his groin on the very same day.

 

[DallasEast]

Of course not. Be he didn't kickoff short. Even the run back was for 100 yards... he kicked it to the endzone. I don't know the stat, but he may have been near to 95% tonight. Although I still think 95% is unrealistic...no one in the league does it.

Just from memory, all the kicks landed inside the 10, and it might have been all of them inside the 5. Most of them were kicked to the endzone.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think Suisham is just a hell of a special team addition. He had some really nice kickoffs. The run back for a touchdown was just horrible coverage.

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You're right. We are going to disagree on this topic. It doesn't matter that your head coach makes the following comment on this subject:

"I think we could surmise that I really didn't want to keep two kickers and there was a domino effect on the rest of the roster." LINK

It doesn't matter that 31 out of 32 NFL teams only have ONE placekicker on its roster. (Guess which team has two PK's?)

The only thing that matters is that Suisham is a great special team addition. Great.

Good night.