No Way Cromartie is Around at 22

[Teague31]

Between his Senior Bowl week, his numbers at the combine and the success of his cousin, I don't think he will make it past 15, let alone fall to us. I think Jenkins and the kid from Troy will be gone also. I think we are looking at Cason, Talib, Flowers or Smith from OU.

 

[mboy22]

I think you could be right, and if that is the case I would be ok with Talib or Cason as the 22 pick.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

You could be spot on.....the kid is moving up the charts faster then he runs the 40 yd dash

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

I would be very dissappointed if those three CB's are gone at 22. If thats the case I dont want any part of Cason in the first round. Second round I would be ok with but I think there are 7 or 8 corners I would draft first.

 

[speedkilz88]

The media will get leaks from scouts and find out the rankings of the cb's. But from the beginning word on him was that he was raw, so teams may not be as high on him as you think. The other Cromartie had about as great a combine as you can have and he was available at #22 that year.

 

[masomenos]

Between his Senior Bowl week, his numbers at the combine and the success of his cousin, I don't think he will make it past 15, let alone fall to us. I think Jenkins and the kid from Troy will be gone also. I think we are looking at Cason, Talib, Flowers or Smith from OU.

You may be right but the level of competition he played against could keep him in the lower half of Rd 1. Look at the draft history, since the 2000 draft there have been 6 "small school" players drafted in the first round, only one has been in the top 20 picks and that was DeMarcus Ware and none were ever CBs. Now this year we have three small school CBs in McKelvin, DRC and Jenkins and they're all going to go top 20? I just don't see it. Even with his great offseason I still think there's a good chance that DRC falls to 22. Teams value production against top competition quite a bit and when you look at the stats of guys like Talib and Cason and you see them performing at the same level or better that than the small school guys and their playing against Big 12 and Pac 10 teams...that's something teams are going to take into consideration.

 

[TVMan]

The media will get leaks from scouts and find out the rankings of the cb's. But from the beginning word on him was that he was raw, so teams may not be as high on him as you think. The other Cromartie had about as great a combine as you can have and he was available at #22 that year.

That's because there were questions about his injuries.

 

[CATCH17]

If Jenkins is there @ 22 our card better be turned in within 30 seconds.

 

[Vintage]

Yep. Cromartie, Jenkins, and McKelvin will most likely be gone at 22.

We'll just have to settle for 2nd tier type talent.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

You may be right but the level of competition he played against could keep him in the lower half of Rd 1. Look at the draft history, since the 2000 draft there have been 6 "small school" players drafted in the first round, only one has been in the top 20 picks and that was DeMarcus Ware and none were ever CBs. Now this year we have three small school CBs in McKelvin, DRC and Jenkins and they're all going to go top 20? I just don't see it. Even with his great offseason I still think there's a good chance that DRC falls to 22. Teams value production against top competition quite a bit and when you look at the stats of guys like Talib and Cason and you see them performing at the same level or better that than the small school guys and their playing against Big 12 and Pac 10 teams...that's something teams are going to take into consideration.

I disagree the level of comp may not be there however the skills are and he definitly put them on display at the senior bowl where the level of comp should have been greater. When players perform well in big games it doesn't matter where they come from and the numbers he put up at the combine were good its very possible to see him gone same with Leodis and Jenkins Talib could also be gone.

 

[tyke1doe]

That's because there were questions about his injuries.

That and he basically sat out his last year in college. So he was being evaluated on the potential of his sophomore/freshman year.

 

[masomenos]

I disagree the level of comp may not be there however the skills are and he definitly put them on display at the senior bowl where the level of comp should have been greater. When players perform well in big games it doesn't matter where they come from and the numbers he put up at the combine were good its very possible to see him gone same with Leodis and Jenkins Talib could also be gone.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they aren't talented. I'd be thrilled if Dallas got DRC at #22. We're in a situation where we wouldn't need him to come in and be the #1 or #2 guy right away though. However, the jump from Tennessee St to the NFL is much bigger than the jump from a Div 1A school to the NFL. If a team needs a #1 CB then picking a small school player is a huge risk, they just aren't as likely to be able to jump right into the mix of things and succeed against the T.O.s of the NFL.

It's so important to hit on first round picks that teams often take "safe" players over those who have higher potential. It's like theogt mentioned in another thread, with first round picks you often have to draft the player with the lowest "downside" as opposed to the highest upside. When teams draft small school prospects or conversion prospects they're taking a much bigger gamble. Yes it does work out sometimes, like with Ware, but that's more the exception than the rule.

Like I said, I just don't see three teams all willing to take those risks before 22. But sure, it might happen, and where does that leave us? It leaves us with the CBs who preformed at a higher level against better competition, like Cason and Talib.

 

[SacredStar]

Yep. Cromartie, Jenkins, and McKelvin will most likely be gone at 22.

If most of the teams in front of Dallas make their pick based on need, then one of those three should be available at #22 for the Cowboys.

If those teams select the best available player, then they all will be gone at #22.

It's the first round and the teams in front will be picking need players, imo.

 

[Woods]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they aren't talented. I'd be thrilled if Dallas got DRC at #22. We're in a situation where we wouldn't need him to come in and be the #1 or #2 guy right away though. However, the jump from Tennessee St to the NFL is much bigger than the jump from a Div 1A school to the NFL. If a team needs a #1 CB then picking a small school player is a huge risk, they just aren't as likely to be able to jump right into the mix of things and succeed against the T.O.s of the NFL.

It's so important to hit on first round picks that teams often take "safe" players over those who have higher potential. It's like theogt mentioned in another thread, with first round picks you often have to draft the player with the lowest "downside" as opposed to the highest upside. When teams draft small school prospects or conversion prospects they're taking a much bigger gamble. Yes it does work out sometimes, like with Ware, but that's more the exception than the rule.

Like I said, I just don't see three teams all willing to take those risks before 22. But sure, it might happen, and where does that leave us? It leaves us with the CBs who preformed at a higher level against better competition, like Cason and Talib.

Between Cason and Talib, which one do you choose?

I take Cason, personally.

 

[masomenos]

Between Cason and Talib, which one do you choose?

I take Cason, personally.

I take Cason too, he was the best CB in the nation last year.

 

[Woods]

I take Cason too, he was the best CB in the nation last year.

Funny thing is, based on the Combine, if Cason ran a 4.42-4.44 instead of a 4.49, a lot of guys would probably consider him top 20 - esp. when you factor in his vertical, bench press, size, etc.

 

[cobra]

How many people are picking ahead of us at #22?

Seems like a lot seeing as how about 40 players are expected to be gone by the time we draft.

 

[marchetta]

I think you could be right, and if that is the case I would be ok with Talib or Cason as the 22 pick.

Too high for either. Just choose the best player available, or move down and pick up a CB at #28 or in the 2nd rd. If Jenkins, DRC, and McKelvin are gone at #22, I'd be on the phone with ATL asking for their 2 2nd rounders for our #22.

 

[tomson75]

If most of the teams in front of Dallas make their pick based on need, then one of those three should be available at #22 for the Cowboys.

If those teams select the best available player, then they all will be gone at #22.

It's the first round and the teams in front will be picking need players, imo.

I'm banking on this.

While CB is becoming an ever more important position in the NFL, I'm having a hard time believing there is going to be a run on 5-6 CB's in the first round.

There seem to be enough talent at the other positions, that we may not be completely out of the running for one of these guys...in particular DCM. His stock has risen awfully fast, and some NFL scouts are hesitant to take those guys so early. Then again, look at Ware.

I'm trying real hard not to be impressed by DCM, but its' not working. If he's there at 16-18, it might be prudent to move up to get him. He's pretty damn impressive.

 

[Woods]

How many people are picking ahead of us at #22?

Seems like a lot seeing as how about 40 players are expected to be gone by the time we draft.

Funny you mention that, I was just going through a list of players who I thought would most likely get picked before us.

I could only come up with about 15-17 names I felt "comfortable" about as getting picked ahead of our 22nd pick.