No Way Cromartie is Around at 22

[theogt]

Thankfully the Saints also need LB, the Lions also need LB and OT, the Cards also need LB, Vikings also need WR and S, and Pats also need LB. It'll be interesting to see how the first round plays out, we could have some really good talent falling into our lap at #22.

Detroit and Minn could also use a QB. Brian Brohm will go in that area.

 

[Vintage]

Detroit and Minn could also use a QB. Brian Brohm will go in that area.

I think Detroit will want to give Stanton a shot before they go 1st round QB. I'd bet they draft an OL or go defense....

 

[masomenos]

Detroit and Minn could also use a QB. Brian Brohm will go in that area.

Very true, some of those teams may shore up their CB situation in FA too

 

[theogt]

Very true, some of those teams may shore up their CB situation in FA too

Good point. Minnesota has more than enough cap space to sign Samuel to a huge contract.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I would be very dissappointed if those three CB's are gone at 22. If thats the case I dont want any part of Cason in the first round. Second round I would be ok with but I think there are 7 or 8 corners I would draft first.

I got about 10 corners I would draft ahead of Cason.
I'd PUKE if we picked Cason!
Remember, we could always trade up for McKelvin or DRC!
If one is there at 16, it won't cost us too much to trade up.

 

[theogt]

I got about 10 corners I would draft ahead of Cason.
I'd PUKE if we picked Cason!
Remember, we could always trade up for McKelvin or DRC!
If one is there at 16, it won't cost us too much to trade up.

Who do you have ahead of him and why do you have them ahead of him?

 

[RW31]

if there's one thing we should have learned over the past few years its that you don't reach for guys that look good in a senior bowl practice or run a fast 40 yard dash. this is the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

look at sinorice moss, look at tony hunt. both senior bowl mvp's. cromartie wasn't that good in college, and the guy played div II college football. we're not talking about a guy who dominated at florida state for 3 straight years.

 

[theogt]

Who do you have ahead of him and why do you have them ahead of him?

*crickets*

 

[DaBoys4Life]

*crickets*

LOL i'd puke if he gave a response =)

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Too high for either. Just choose the best player available, or move down and pick up a CB at #28 or in the 2nd rd. If Jenkins, DRC, and McKelvin are gone at #22, I'd be on the phone with ATL asking for their 2 2nd rounders for our #22.

Why should we have to settle for second tier players? That's one purpose for the extra pick. We can always use our second rd. pick, valued at around 300 pts. on the Trade Value Chart, to add to the #22 pick. That would take us to the #14 pick. Either DRC, McKelvin, or FS Kenny Phillips should be there for the taking. Any one would be a cut above what we would be forced to settle for @ #22.

We would still have the #28 to take a WR or RB. That way, we still have two quality picks in the first two rds. This draft is too full of quality to have to settle for second best. This is our chance to take it over the top. When I saw the time DRC ran, my heart sank. This guy comes from great stock, and is the CB we've been looking for to hook up with TNew these last several years. Let's grab him while Newman still has some gas in the tank.

Who knows. With the 4.35 SS Josh Barrett of Arizona St. ran today, maybe we could talk BP into taking Roy Williams for the #32 pick, and we'd basically have three #1s. We could then package that pick w/the 28th pick, and move up to the 11th spot. That would almost guarantee us one of the two best CBs. Plus, we would still have the #22 to take a Limas Sweed or Andre Caldwell. We could then take Barrett with the 2nd or 3rd. round pick.

Hey, if we can't dream in these posts, what are they there for??!!

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

You may be right but the level of competition he played against could keep him in the lower half of Rd 1. Look at the draft history, since the 2000 draft there have been 6 "small school" players drafted in the first round, only one has been in the top 20 picks and that was DeMarcus Ware and none were ever CBs. Now this year we have three small school CBs in McKelvin, DRC and Jenkins and they're all going to go top 20? I just don't see it. Even with his great offseason I still think there's a good chance that DRC falls to 22. Teams value production against top competition quite a bit and when you look at the stats of guys like Talib and Cason and you see them performing at the same level or better that than the small school guys and their playing against Big 12 and Pac 10 teams...that's something teams are going to take into consideration.

All good points, but teams also put an uneven amount of weight in what a player does in just a few games, ie: Bowl games, the Senior Bowl, and the Combine numbers. They also look at breeding. A Chris Long, even though his merits stand on their own, is also taken into account who his daddy is--and with good reason.
That is why I feel we would be tempting fate if we just stood idley by & expected DRC to fall into our laps @ #22. Why not jump up several picks to make sure we get him? This kid is for real. He has a lot of the physical & mental makeup of his cousin over in SD, and Antonio went to his first Pro-Bowl in only his second yr.

 

[masomenos]

All good points, but teams also put an uneven amount of weight in what a player does in just a few games, ie: Bowl games, the Senior Bowl, and the Combine numbers. They also look at breeding. A Chris Long, even though his merits stand on their own, is also taken into account who his daddy is--and with good reason.
That is why I feel we would be tempting fate if we just stood idley by & expected DRC to fall into our laps @ #22. Why not jump up several picks to make sure we get him? This kid is for real. He has a lot of the physical & mental makeup of his cousin over in SD, and Antonio went to his first Pro-Bowl in only his second yr.

Believe me, I'm not saying DRC isn't the real deal, I think he definitely is. As far as the bowl games and the offseason tests you're right, teams do place a lot of stock in that. But it's not like Talib and Cason have had bad offseasons by any means. So you can take a CB who's proven against top competition and who has had a good offseason or you can take an unproven guy who has had a lights out offseason. Who do teams chose? I think it depends on the situation, but I can say that regardless of what happens Dallas will have a very good CB sitting there for them at #22, be it Cason, Talib, DRC, Jenkins or even McKelvin (who I'm not as high on). If we miss out on DRC then we'll still have a shot at a great corner.

 

[SacredStar]

the following teams in front of us are in need of a corner:
new orleans
detroit
arizona
minnesota
and maybe new england

New Orleans has a much bigger need for linebackers and a defensive tackle than a Cornerback.

Detroits biggest need is a CB for sure. But they are are lacking at LB, OG.

Arizona has huge need for an OT, especially a left tackle, and a DE before a CB.

Minnesota needs a WR over anything, but yes, they also need a CB because most of the yards they gave up last season were through the air and that secondary needs work.

I still think one of the big name CB's is easily available in Dallas' spot.

 

[Hoofbite]

How many people are picking ahead of us at #22?

Seems like a lot seeing as how about 40 players are expected to be gone by the time we draft.

good call.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I like Mike Jenkins but I'd be happier with DRC at 22...

 

[newlander]

I sure do. Let's hope DRC isn't him if we draft him. I'm with RW31: it's very scary to go that high with a kid that didn't have great produciton ON THE FIELD. It could work out......but it usually doesn't.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

In all honesty...I'll be thrilled if any of those guys, Jenkins/DRC/McKelvin/Talib/Cason, are there for our pick. I will not balk at a pick up of any of those guys, personally.

 

[EPL0c0]

Between his Senior Bowl week, his numbers at the combine and the success of his cousin, I don't think he will make it past 15, let alone fall to us. I think Jenkins and the kid from Troy will be gone also. I think we are looking at Cason, Talib, Flowers or Smith from OU.

How about Quintin Demps... 4.38 40 at FS. He's a ball hawk. Admitted not great against the run, but stopping the run wasn't Dallas' problem last year

He was faster than Cason, Talib, Flowers and 0.05 behind Cromartie. At saftey mind you...He can help the deep coverage