Nobody likes or respects Bledsoe...

[cobra]

What QBs other than Drew and Brett have been playing since 1993? No dissrespect, but many of the QBs in the league haven't been around long enough to have the same number of 4th quarter comeback opportunities. I think only McNair has been around since then and is still a starter.

Brunell, Collins, McNair, Fiedler, Vinny T, Doug Flutie, Brad Johnson, Jeff Blake, Gus Ferrotte, Trent Dilfer have all been playing a comparably long time, and he is ahead of all of them.

But what Inman said is right: lots of quaterbacks haven't been playing that long because they weren't good. That is the flaw with the argument against Bledsoe and Vinny T: a lot of people argue "they just played a long time, and that is why their numbers are so high." You have to be very good to play that long in the NFL, and that is the reason why most people can't get to the Top 10. And on that front, Bledsoe has been better than Vinny T.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Is he ?

Or is he just surrounded by better environment, ... coaching, defense, etc.

OK, let's say Brady > Peyton, I'll give you that one, who else can you put there ?

????? > Peyton

Waiting to see if Manning wins a SB before you consider him a good QB is so funny to me.

And if you haven't seen enough from Bledsoe yet to know whether you approve or not is funny too.

You either think he is good or you don't.

Unlike yourself I judge QB's by how they perform on the biggest stage, not saying they have to win games by themselves but by making a play or more importantly not hurting the team. As I said before the next big game Peyton wins will be his first, you take the numbers I'll take the rings. I feel Bledsoe is a good QB but can he win you a championship thats the question I have to ask.

 

[Doomsday101]

Unlike yourself I judge QB's by how they perform on the biggest stage, not saying they have to win games by themselves but by making a play or more importantly not hurting the team. As I said before the next big game Peyton wins will be his first, you take the numbers I'll take the rings. I feel Bledsoe is a good QB but can he win you a championship thats the question I have to ask.

He can if the team plays well. Every QB who has played in a SB played in it because they played on great teams. It takes a team to win a championship no matter how good your QB is.

 

[joseephuss]

Unlike yourself I judge QB's by how they perform on the biggest stage, not saying they have to win games by themselves but by making a play or more importantly not hurting the team. As I said before the next big game Peyton wins will be his first, you take the numbers I'll take the rings. I feel Bledsoe is a good QB but can he win you a championship thats the question I have to ask.

Are you saying that Manning is sacrificing winning to put up numbers? Did Marino? For Indy to win games the past few years, Manning had to put up numbers. The last couple of seasons, the Patriots kept him from doing that. How bad would Indy be if Manning wasn't putting up numbers?

If you switch Manning and Brady, I think Indy becomes a little better but still not good enough to beat the Pats the last couple of seasons. And then Peyton would have a couple of rings . I will take either and if I had to choose, I would take Brady. That is just my preference.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Unlike yourself I judge QB's by how they perform on the biggest stage, not saying they have to win games by themselves but by making a play or more importantly not hurting the team. As I said before the next big game Peyton wins will be his first, you take the numbers I'll take the rings. I feel Bledsoe is a good QB but can he win you a championship thats the question I have to ask.

So using your logic, if you were starting a team right now, and you could have either P. Manning or T. Dilfer, ... using your "numbers vs rings" theory, you would take Dilfer.

That's fine, I'll take Manning.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Are you saying that Manning is sacrificing winning to put up numbers? Did Marino? For Indy to win games the past few years, Manning had to put up numbers. The last couple of seasons, the Patriots kept him from doing that. How bad would Indy be if Manning wasn't putting up numbers?

If you switch Manning and Brady, I think Indy becomes a little better but still not good enough to beat the Pats the last couple of seasons. And then Peyton would have a couple of rings . I will take either and if I had to choose, I would take Brady. That is just my preference.

I understand that Brady was in a better situation than Manning the last couple of years, the point I was making is in those games Peyton did more to help his team lose than win and got rattled to boot. I have been watching Peyton since his freshman year at Tenn and IMO he wilts under pressure if he is all that some make him out to be he would have a championship under his belt by now in either college or pros.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

So using your logic, if you were starting a team right now, and you could have either P. Manning or T. Dilfer, ... using your "numbers vs rings" theory, you would take Dilfer.

That's fine, I'll take Manning.

I would take Manning over Dilfer to but with the game on the line I would take Brady over anybody at the moment the guy is just a winner and until Peyton wins something I am going to be a bit skeptical.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

He can if the team plays well. Every QB who has played in a SB played in it because they played on great teams. It takes a team to win a championship no matter how good your QB is.

I agree it does take a team to win but with parity in the nfl today an above average qb makes all the difference.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree it does take a team to win but with parity in the nfl today an above average qb makes all the difference.

Bledsoe is playing above average. As for parity it did not change the basics of the game and that is teams win games not 1 person. Bowling, golf and tennis are individual sports where 1 person controls the entire outcome. Bledsoe can do the job as a QB but he can't do anything about other players and how they perform no QB can do that. I do think the QB position is critical to any team but as many coaches say they get to much credit for wins and too much blame for loses.

 

[Givincer]

Unlike yourself I judge QB's by how they perform on the biggest stage, not saying they have to win games by themselves but by making a play or more importantly not hurting the team. As I said before the next big game Peyton wins will be his first, you take the numbers I'll take the rings. I feel Bledsoe is a good QB but can he win you a championship thats the question I have to ask.

Are AFC championship games not big games to you?

You cannot just say you take the numbers I take the rings, that is such a redundant statement. People who don't actually understand football say things like this. Quarterbacks don't win superbowls alone and they don't lose them alone either. You cannot just overlook all of what Peyton Manning brings to his team and just say Tom Brady is a better quarterback its just not the case. It's a pretty safe bet that if Peyton Manning was in New England in 2001, 2003, and 2004 he would have 3 superbowl rings just like Tom Brady. He is a better quarterback than Brady he just didn't have a championship defense on his team to win big games...big difference when you have a championship defense as opposed to a defense that is in shootouts all the time.

 

[Givincer]

Bledsoe is playing above average. As for parity it did not change the basics of the game and that is teams win games not 1 person. Bowling, golf and tennis are individual sports where 1 person controls the entire outcome. Bledsoe can do the job as a QB but he can't do anything about other players and how they perform no QB can do that. I do think the QB position is critical to any team but as many coaches say they get to much credit for wins and too much blame for loses.

Exactly, and not only can the quarterback not control how other positions execute, but they are the most dependent on how those other positions execute of any position on the team. So what can be construed as a quarterback completely losing a game is really an entire offense not executing properly thus it effects the quarterbacks performance. The quarterback has to first be given the opportunity to execute before he actually can execute the play - that is how dependent the quarterback position is most people just don't even pay attention to that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Are AFC championship games not big games to you?

Don't try using logic with Jiggyfly.

He's about rings, not numbers, ... until he has to choose, and then it is not about rings.

You can't judge a QB solely on the number of Super Bowls he wins.

 

[Martice]

Hilarious !!

Say you like him or say you don't.

You probably are one of the people who think Peyton Manning is not a good QB because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet.

Hi WV. Regarding Drew, it really isn't if I like him or not. I'm sure he is a nice guy and I would probably like him as a person.

Now on to football. I don't think my post was about me liking him or not. In fact, my post is about his history as a passer in this league. There is a reason why he lacks the proper respect given to a passer with the yardage that he has. Have you given that any thought? Why give up on such a great passer for a no name Brady? Why get rid of such a great talent for a virgin QB that guarantees your team that you will have a losing season? If your QB is great why start a highly questionable rookie? My take is that whenever he had a chance to be special he would make the pass you don't want to make. Does this mean that he is not a capable passer? No. Does this mean that he cannot defeat his past demons? No.


What this does mean to me is despite his high yardage, I am waiting for Drew to go a full season without playing a big part in a major loss to a team. I am waiting for Drew to be the last to lose his cool when things get tense. When the kettle gets hot, Drew shouldn't start to melt or at least, he should not be the first to melt. As the old saying goes "the captain goes down with his ship" or "the captain is the last to get off of a sinking ship". Many (including myself) have noticed Drew getting antsy when a defense is applying a lot of pressure. To some this is understandable and I agree because throughout his career that has been Drew. However, the top tier QB's tend to deal with pressure a little better than Drew has shown over his career including this year.

Yes Drew had a good game last week but he looked totally different the last few weeks and feel free to spin it any way you like about the 'O' line.

I'll leave this post up to you to decipher if I "like" or Drew or not.

When you figure it out let me know.

 

[Martice]

Exactly, and not only can the quarterback not control how other positions execute, but they are the most dependent on how those other positions execute of any position on the team. So what can be construed as a quarterback completely losing a game is really an entire offense not executing properly thus it effects the quarterbacks performance. The quarterback has to first be given the opportunity to execute before he actually can execute the play - that is how dependent the quarterback position is most people just don't even pay attention to that.

So where does the term "QB winning a game" come from?

Does it even make sense?

 

[Doomsday101]

So where does the term "QB winning a game" come from?

Does it even make sense?

It comes from the media. The QB is the leader of the team and his play does have a big impact on the game. It takes too many people on a team to execute and do their job for the team to win. I have seen some of the all time great QB's who made their team better because of their play yet did not win a SB because overall there team was not good enough

 

[Martice]

It comes from the media. The QB is the leader of the team and his play does have a big impact on the game. It takes too many people on a team to execute and do their job for the team to win. I have seen some of the all time great QB's who made their team better because of their play yet did not win a SB because overall there team was not good enough

I can agree with your statement. However, we can agree that QB's like any other position can be the difference maker in any game. Right? Well when a team needs a big play on offense and the QB needs time to throw and he gets the time needed and he proceeds to make a bad pass that gets picked off, can we agree that the QB choked on that play? Yes I hope. If that same QB passed for a ton of yards but seems to have to his credit a fair amount of bad passes or taking too many sacks in big games because he was waiting for the deep pass. Is the QB guilty of contributing to a loss just like anyone else? Yes.

So what I'm saying is this. Drew has a history of taking too many sacks at the wrong damn time as well as making the wrong pass at the worst time. At least in my memory he does. Why else would someone with so many yards have so many question marks next to his name?

Any ideas?

 

[Doomsday101]

I can agree with your statement. However, we can agree that QB's like any other position can be the difference maker in any game. Right? Well when a team needs a big play on offense and the QB needs time to throw and he gets the time needed and he proceeds to make a bad pass that gets picked off, can we agree that the QB choked on that play? Yes I hope. If that same QB passed for a ton of yards but seems to have to his credit a fair amount of bad passes or taking too many sacks in big games because he was waiting for the deep pass. Is the QB guilty of contributing to a loss just like anyone else? Yes.

So what I'm saying is this. Drew has a history of taking too many sacks at the wrong damn time as well as making the wrong pass at the worst time. At least in my memory he does. Why else would someone with so many yards have so many question marks next to his name?

Any ideas?

I'm not saying that a QB can't play poorly and cost his team in post season. As for Bledsoe he has had some bad post season games and has had some good ones, his teams record in post season with him at QB is 4 wins and 3 loses. Last though I judge a QB by how he plays and I judge a team or franchise by Super Bowls. If someone said Barry Sanders was not a great RB because he has no ring people would laugh in their face and same with guys like Fouts and Marino these were great players who played on not so great teams.

 

[Wolverine]

- I will admit , I'm not a huge fan of him myself...I think he beats himself ala Vinny Intaverde ...However:

His stats are unreal....and his arm is in the breath of some of the all time QB's ...

He was superb and tough yesterday and threw some beautiful passes - IF THAT WAS BRETT FAVRE...THEY WOULD HAVE LED SPORTSCENTER WITH THAT STORY... If that was Favre or Brady or some others Berman would have went nuts over Drew's day - instead, there was MINIMAL mention of how well he played , about how he bounced back like a champ - showed guts and saved the season.

Bledsoe for whatever reason has had a "Yeah But" career - "Did you know Drew has thrown for 40,000 plus yards .....Yeah but ....etc...

The only way he's gonna get props is by leading this team to the NFC Title Game.

There are things I do respect about Bledsoe -


Name a tuffer QB in the NFL. There are younger QBs then him out there that are not as tuff as he is and Bledsoe is one of the few QBs you would not wanna mix it up with. He could probaly beat the crap outta quite a few players in the NFL. The man is one of the tuffest QBs in the game if not the tuffest.

His arm. Great respect for that. I do not think there is anyone who can throw harder or furhter then he can. I am not sure if anyone can throw AS hard or as far as Bledsoe. So many of his throws are off his back foot and they still come out like a rifle bullet. I just wonder how hard he could throw if he really planted and put everything into. His accuracy on medium and long passes is the best of any NFL QB.

The man does give it everything he has on the field. How can anyone not respct that.


I have lost some faith in him with some of his games he has had. After hearing what other fans of other teams say about how he fades as the season goes on I was thinkin oh boy here we go....they were right.

But he played a great game against the Chiefs. Gotta give him props. HOpefully he is on his way back.

I do know that all the probs are not on him and it is easy to get caught up in the bash Bledsoe stuff.

But the man is playing behind one of the NFLs worse OLs. A running game that is just not there. ANd again the OL is the reason for that.

When you think about it... Bledsoe is the most dangerous weapon on our offense and teams are keying on him cuz they know our OL cant protect him.


I am gonna say something that I know I will get slammed for. But I am not sure how good Peyton Manning would do in Dallas. Manning has great protection and has a great cast around him. I would like to see how Manning would do under the pressure Bledsoe has to deal with.

One thing I noticed about Peyton Manning was in the Steeler game. When he threw a INT Manning was rattled and it took him a few quarters to finally get over it.

I have seen Bledsoe throw INTs this year and not even faze him and not get rattled.


Yeah I do respect Bledsoe and I do like him. But I will say my faith in him has been shaken some but more and more after that KC game I am getting it back pretty much. Cuz once again I saw what he could do with just a little protection.

 

[silver]

some qb's never get respect. look at brad johnson. he's won the super bowl. has admiradbly replaced unreplaceable culpepper and yet many of us still doubt him. bledsoe himself successfully led the patriots to 2 AFC championships (replacing an injured Brady the second time) yet nobody gives him any credit with that super bowl ring. i can name a lot of them: trent dilfer, mark rypien, doug williams, jeff hostedler, kurt warner as guys who won as many trophies as brett favre and steve young and will never receive the accolades these two get.

 

[Martice]

If someone said Barry Sanders was not a great RB because he has no ring people would laugh in their face and same with guys like Fouts and Marino these were great players who played on not so great teams.

I agree Dooms! In fact, I am no longer going to put a limit on what I think Drew can do. In addition, I will try to be as optimistic about his potential as a "clutch" QB as possible. However, I feel comfortable saying that he has some proving to do regarding his mental toughness and decision making.

This is where he will gain the respect and recognition that some feels he lacks.