Norm Chow fired *Update...Hired by UCLA*

[joseephuss]

:laugh2:

I happened to catch Mort talking about this at lunch. He basically said that it had nothing to do with Chow's actual teaching or coaching, and everything to do with a personality conflict with Vince Young.

Chow is a good coach -- I don't think there's a lot of doubt about that.

I think there is some doubt. He is a good college coach. That is proven. He has not done anything to prove that he is a good NFL coach, yet. Maybe he will get another chance, but I think he will go back to college somewhere. Maybe UCLA as the OC for Neuheisel or something.

 

[Wrangler87]

This sounds mutual.

Carroll is probably heading to Atlanta, and Chow may know that. He sees his opportunity to grab the USC job, and got proactive to make sure he was available.

As far as the Titans go, I have no idea who they could get to help Young become an average or better passer. Sounds like the Vick experiment part number 2.

 

[Chief]

Norv has nuts?

He was a boiling cauldron of testosterone on Sunday, storming up and down the sidelines like General Patton on the front lines.

Maybe he can mail some of that stuff to Wade.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think there is some doubt. He is a good college coach. That is proven. He has not done anything to prove that he is a good NFL coach, yet. Maybe he will get another chance, but I think he will go back to college somewhere. Maybe UCLA as the OC for Neuheisel or something.

I know Vince Young is a hot button topic, so I won't get in to him, but they had no WRs and a fat tailback plus some average at best guys to work with. I guess you can say he hasn't "proven" he's a good coach, but he hasn't had a lot to work with, either. Mort was saying most people seem to think he's a pretty good coach.

I don't know much about his coaching tree, honestly. Anyone know? I just remember hearing all about him when he was at USC.

 

[Chief]

I know Vince Young is a hot button topic, so I won't get in to him, but they had no WRs and a fat tailback plus some average at best guys to work with. I guess you can say he hasn't "proven" he's a good coach, but he hasn't had a lot to work with, either. Mort was saying most people seem to think he's a pretty good coach.

I don't know much about his coaching tree, honestly. Anyone know? I just remember hearing all about him when he was at USC.

I think he has a BYU LaVell Edwards pedigree. He was also at NC State when Phillip "Wack-job" Rivers was there. Apparently that was before Rivers lost his mind.

 

[rcaldw]

The topic is Norm Chow being fired, and possible reasons for that.

If you can pull your head out of Norv's lap long enough to discuss that a bit more, I'd love to hear some more of your theories.

First off, your insults, which are lewd and show your class and apparently your intelligence level, are uncalled for. I hope that the mods pay attention to it.

2nd, it is par for the course for you. It is what you do when you are dead wrong and can't own up to it.

3rd, I've already offered my theory on the Chow firing. It was unfair to him, just like it is unfair to Vince Young to judge a young QB who doesn't have half the weapons to work with that our young QB has.

I don't think Vince Young is Tony Romo at this point, but neither do I think that Romo would look as good if he was throwing to Bo Scaife instead of Witten, or Roydell instead of T.O., and if he had the Titans 3rd and 4th receivers instead of what he has.

So, if you can stop defending yourself for a moment with your stupid and childish sexual "slams", and actually engage in some meaningful debate, maybe you can demonstrate how right you are, yet once again.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I don't know much about his coaching tree, honestly. Anyone know? I just remember hearing all about him when he was at USC.

Per his bio:
Many of the NFL's most noted NFL minds have coached alongside Chow, including Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Brian Billick, Ted Tollner, Mike Sheppard and Doug Scovil.

 

[Hostile]

I think he has a BYU LaVell Edwards pedigree. He was also at NC State when Phillip "Wack-job" Rivers was there. Apparently that was before Rivers lost his mind.

Norm also studied extensively under Mouse Davis.

 

[joseephuss]

This sounds mutual.

Carroll is probably heading to Atlanta, and Chow may know that. He sees his opportunity to grab the USC job, and got proactive to make sure he was available.

As far as the Titans go, I have no idea who they could get to help Young become an average or better passer. Sounds like the Vick experiment part number 2.

Looked like Young was learning to me. He didn't have great numbers, but he did improve. Vick never completed more than 56.4% of his passes in any season. Young completed 62.3%. By itself it is not a great accomplishment, but it does show improvement over his rookie year when he only completed 51.5%. His career completion rate is 57.1%, which is greater than Vick's 53.8%. Vick was blessed with a QB's best friend, a good tight end.

Young QBs take time. Everyone knew Young would take longer because he did not come from a pro-style offensive system in college. It was way to early to write Vince Young off. Way too early to say he is ever going to be great, either. He met my expectations this season. He improved in some areas and took a small step back in a few other areas. Part of that was the lack of skill players around him, which I knew would be a factor for him and the Titans. When a team loses it's best receiver and that receiver is Drew Bennett, that is a problem.

 

[superpunk]

First off, your insults, which are lewd and show your class and apparently your intelligence level, are uncalled for. I hope that the mods pay attention to it.

2nd, it is par for the course for you. It is what you do when you are dead wrong and can't own up to it.

3rd, I've already offered my theory on the Chow firing. It was unfair to him, just like it is unfair to Vince Young to judge a young QB who doesn't have half the weapons to work with that our young QB has.

I don't think Vince Young is Tony Romo at this point, but neither do I think that Romo would look as good if he was throwing to Bo Scaife instead of Witten, or Roydell instead of T.O., and if he had the Titans 3rd and 4th receivers instead of what he has.

So, if you can stop defending yourself for a moment with your stupid and childish sexual "slams", and actually engage in some meaningful debate, maybe you can demonstrate how right you are, yet once again.

Quit your *****in.

If I wanted to discuss Norv Turner, I'd have gone to a Norv Turner thread and dealt with your obsession there. His team beat the Colts because Kenton Keith and Reggie Wayne dropped a few passes. Congrats. We're all thrilled. I'm sure there was a huge party in the rcaldw domicile that evening, complete with acne-scar masks and losing records as NFL coaches, because Norv Turner finally accomplished a little something.

Thanks for the Chow theories. This thread could have done without your Norv Turner boner.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I remember hearing that he wasn't very happy when they selected Vince Young. If I am not mistaken, I believe most in that organization wanted Matt Leinhart but the owner overruled them.

I thought that may have changed last year, given the way Vince played, but this year, he was not very good.

 

[joseephuss]

I know Vince Young is a hot button topic, so I won't get in to him, but they had no WRs and a fat tailback plus some average at best guys to work with. I guess you can say he hasn't "proven" he's a good coach, but he hasn't had a lot to work with, either. Mort was saying most people seem to think he's a pretty good coach.

I don't know much about his coaching tree, honestly. Anyone know? I just remember hearing all about him when he was at USC.

I agree. There are some legitimate reasons why Chow has yet to prove himself on the NFL level.

Chow did prove himself in college and it wasn't always with teams like USC that were just more talented than their opponents. The talent level at BYU and NC State was not in the USC class, but those offenses could do move the ball and put up points.

 

[Dallas]

I would have no problem hiring Norm Chow. With the weapons this team has, he would be putting up 30+ regularly.

 

[DON DON]

Hawaii promoted their Defensive co. yesterday.

 

[rcaldw]

Quit your *****in.

If I wanted to discuss Norv Turner, I'd have gone to a Norv Turner thread and dealt with your obsession there. His team beat the Colts because Kenton Keith and Reggie Wayne dropped a few passes. Congrats. We're all thrilled. I'm sure there was a huge party in the rcaldw domicile that evening, complete with acne-scar masks and losing records as NFL coaches, because Norv Turner finally accomplished a little something.

Thanks for the Chow theories. This thread could have done without your Norv Turner boner.

Man, you just can't stop can you? What a vocabulary you have! What a bright guy you are! You know, I actually was quite happy for Norv Turner. He proved some pretty boisterous know-it-alls quite wrong. Btw, what do acne-scar masks have to do with coaching? And I wonder how we would have done Sunday without our QB, without our RB, and playing virtually without our TE? Seemed like a pretty good coaching job to me.

I'll give you this, I did gig you on purpose about the Chargers win, only because we had such a debate about it last week. I guess I just thought you could take it a little better, and maybe even laugh at yourself a little bit. But I think it is pretty evident that I was wrong.

 

[Hostile]

Hawaii promoted their Defensive co. yesterday.

Oh man, you've got to get an avatar of Don Don from Cannonball Run.

It's perfect.

 

[superpunk]

Man, you just can't stop can you? What a vocabulary you have! What a bright guy you are! You know, I actually was quite happy for Norv Turner. He proved some pretty boisterous know-it-alls quite wrong. Btw, what do acne-scar masks have to do with coaching? And I wonder how we would have done Sunday without our QB, without our RB, and playing virtually without our TE? Seemed like a pretty good coaching job to me.

I'll give you this, I did gig you on purpose about the Chargers win, only because we had such a debate about it last week. I guess I just thought you could take it a little better, and maybe even laugh at yourself a little bit. But I think it is pretty evident that I was wrong.

Hey, I thought I was being pretty playful until you decided to tell me just how awful I really am. Sorry you didn't agree.

 

[rcaldw]

Hey, I thought I was being pretty playful until you decided to tell me just how awful I really am. Sorry you didn't agree.

I don't consider lewd insults to be playful, sorry.

 

[superpunk]

I don't consider lewd insults to be playful, sorry.

:violin:

I'm sure you and Norv will work through it together.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nrv put that team into position to win against a very good Colts team. He deserves credit just as he deserves credit for completely turning that team around after the beginning of the season.

LT was pissed in September and it goes to Turners credit that he was able to keep that team together. CW on him would be that the team would have turned on him. It didnt and I still maintain that Snyder and Davis are more at fault for Turners overall record than Turner is.