Norvs biggest downfall was taking bad jobs

[CATCH17]

That is my opinion anyways.

He had Washington turned into a respectable team and Snyder started trying to make football decisions and it ended up being the downfall of that team.

Brad Johnson was Norvs guy but Snyder kept pushing and pushing for Jeff George.

Also it seems like the coaches who go to Washington under Snyders tenure have just turned out bad once they have got there.

Marvin Lewis and Al Saunders are great coordinators and id say they failed in Washington.

Also the worst move of Norvs coaching career was to take the Oakland job.

Im sorry but there isnt a coach out there who could have had success with that team after they sold out to win the Superbowl.

They had no financial flexibility at all after signing all of those old players to big contracts. I dont think the Raiders will be able to recover from that for another 3 years at least.

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Im a big Norv fan and what we have here in place for him in Dallas is more talent than hes had anyways else hes coached.

Plus just having a Quarterback can make any coach look good.

Im not sold on him by any means but I do think Norv is one of the best football minds out there and i'd love to see how he would do here in Dallas with an actual fighting chance of being a success because I think hes got all the weapons he needs at his finger tips here in Dallas.

 

[dbair1967]

I couldnt agree more...I am not saying Norv is Tom Landry in waiting, but he did end up in two bad situations

but how good would Landry have been had he coached the Giants in the 70's instead of the Cowboys?

for all the people bashing Norv and saying he was awful in Washington, maybe you should go read up on the Commanders each yr under his coaching...they werent 4-12 every yr and getting blown out every week


David

 

[NextGenBoys]

I dont necessarily agree, but that was a well articulated, respectable post. I still want Rex Ryan!

 

[Cochese]

Taking bad jobs is stupidity. Do we want an idiot as coach?

"Gee, I am destined for failure on this horrible team, might as well steer her into the iceberg"

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Seems you take the jobs that you are offered. All he's ever been offered were bad jobs. That in itself says some thing.

 

[LatinMind]

Taking bad jobs is stupidity. Do we want an idiot as coach?

"Gee, I am destined for failure on this horrible team, might as well steer her into the iceberg"

talk about "stupidity"

 

[DipChit]

We might as well give Rich Kotite a look then.

He wasnt so bad when he took an Eagles job before the talent got old (coupled with us rising to a dynasty at the same time) 10-6, 11-5, a playoff win etc.

But then he tanked with the Jets.. well golly gee, what kind of bonehead woulda signed on with them in those days anyway?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Norv wouldn't have a chance at this job if not for Jerry's infatuation with Jason Garrett. if the news is true about him being hired, this is a hire about making Jason Garrett the head coach in a year or two and that is not the way to run a franchise, imo.

Norv Turner is not a leader, he's an assistant. He lacks leadership qualities.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Norv's biggest downfall was Heath Shuler! What an absolute bust that guy was! He did get the best out of Gus Frerotten and Brad Johnson for a few seasons and was let go because little Danny thought his team of old Free Agents was better than it was.

I don't blame the Raiders gig on him, that place is flat out hopeless right now.

 

[Gaede]

Norv's biggest downfall was that he sucked at his job

 

[CATCH17]

I just think talent still means something in this league and we have that.

Im not a guy who blames everything on coaches when I can see with my own 2 eyes that not always coaches are to blame.

Regardless of who we hire some of you are going to complain about the same things.

When we were winning Superbowls people were complaing about playcalling and questioning Jimmy.

That will never change.

I just like the talent we have on this team, I like the style of football Norv brings to the table, and i'd love to see him in Dallas 1 last time to see what he can do.

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Im the same way with Wade Phillips too. Im not completely sold on him but he has shown he can win in this league and he also brings a crazy style of defense everywhere he goes.

I'd love to see what our players can do in a Wade Phillips style defense. I think it would bring Roy Williams back to life.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hiring a retread is one thing.

But you know those huge pieces of tire you have to dodge on the highway from when 18-wheelers have a blowout? Picture Jerry scurrying around gathering up pieces of those off the road and stitching them together.

That's Norv.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Norv's biggest downfall was that he sucked at his job

Give him a good D Coordinator and he will succeed. He has some good talent at the skill positions here and he will maiximze it. Bad D-Coordinator means trouble.

 

[Gaede]

Give him a good D Coordinator and he will succeed. He has some good talent at the skill positions her and he will maiximze it.

And who's that gonna be?

Todd Bowles? Who not only doesn't have experience in that role but who was also on the staff during the monumental collapse of the defense?

And what role is Norv gonna play? Our offense was already in the top FIVE in the league!!! How's he gonna perform without LT, Frank Gore, and Emmitt Smith?

I say get a defensive guy because that is our problem! Leave the offense, it's fine!

 

[DipChit]

I just like the talent we have on this team, I like the style of football Norv brings to the table, and i'd love to see him in Dallas 1 last time to see what he can do.

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Im the same way with Wade Phillips too. Im not completely sold on him but he has shown he can win in this league and he also brings a crazy style of defense everywhere he goes.

I'd love to see what our players can do in a Wade Phillips style defense. I think it would bring Roy Williams back to life.

Yeah I like their styles too... as coordinators!!

Where they have nothing to worry about except getting one particular unit in tip top shape.

If we could have either or both those guys as DC/OC, I'd be in heaven.

To have either as HC feels more like hell.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

And who's that gonna be?

Todd Bowles? Who not only doesn't have experience in that role but who was also on the staff during the monumental collapse of the defense?

And what role is Norv gonna play? Our offense was already in the top FIVE in the league!!! How's he gonna perform without LT, Frank Gore, and Emmitt Smith?

I say get a defensive guy because that is our problem! Leave the offense, it's fine!

It's become pretty well known that the Defense was called based on the conservative approach that Parcells laid out. People trashed Peyton when he was here as well and that New Orleans thing turned out pretty good. as for the offense, that gameplan against Seattle in the playoffs wasn't a thing of beauty, especially when Holmgren himself was baffled on why we didn't pick on the DB's more. I doubt Norv would have done the same thing.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeah I like their styles too... as coordinators!!

Where they have nothing to worry about except getting one particular unit in tip top shape.

If we could have either or both those guys as DC/OC, I'd be in heaven.

To have either as HC feels more like hell.

The thing is Wade Phillips has never really failed as a head coach.

Hes just not a sexy hire for some of you guys and I understand that.

 

[TheProphet]

Norv's biggest downfall was that he sucked at his job

L A R G E! Norv has failed miserably as a head coach. Period. Amazing to hear the apologists come out in droves and claim it wasn't poor ole Norv's fault that he signed and failed with the Skins and Raiders. Let's hope he ends up somewhere like AZ. LOL

 

[Oh_Canada]

And who's that gonna be?

Todd Bowles? Who not only doesn't have experience in that role but who was also on the staff during the monumental collapse of the defense?

And what role is Norv gonna play? Our offense was already in the top FIVE in the league!!! How's he gonna perform without LT, Frank Gore, and Emmitt Smith?

I say get a defensive guy because that is our problem! Leave the offense, it's fine!

Sing it loud and sing it proud my brother!!

Why on earth do we need an offensive coach, when the guy who is supposed to be the OC is being hailed as an offensive genius.....isn't it a bit redundant???

 

[Gaede]

It's become pretty well known that the Defense was called based on the conservative approach that Parcells laid out. People trashed Peyton when he was here as well and that New Orleans thing turned out pretty good. as for the offense, that gameplan against Seattle in the playoffs wasn't a thing of beauty, especially when Holmgren himself was baffled on why we didn't pick on the DB's more. I doubt Norv would have done the same thing.

well, if Parcells hamstrung the defense, it stands to reason he did the same for the offense.

Taking into account Parcells consevativism then--and taking into account under this conservative umbrella, the offense still performed better than the defense--it stands to reason that the defense is still the bigger problem. That is to say, since both coordinators were hamstrung by Parcells, the element of Parcells is cancelled out.