Norvs biggest downfall was taking bad jobs

[DipChit]

The thing is Wade Phillips has never really failed as a head coach.

Hes just not a sexy hire for some of you guys and I understand that.

Well apparently he wasnt a sexy hire for many owners or GM's either otherwise his resume would include more than 5 years of HC action out of 30 years in the league.

He obviously doesnt inspire owners to hire him even though he's always wanted it. And IMO he doesnt inspire whole teams either when he's the HC.. even if he happens to know X's and O's.

Course the same thing could be said about Norv by in large.

Just dont know why we have to be the ones to see if the 3rd time wouldnt be the charm with these guys.

But whatever.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

That is my opinion anyways.

He had Washington turned into a respectable team and Snyder started trying to make football decisions and it ended up being the downfall of that team.

Brad Johnson was Norvs guy but Snyder kept pushing and pushing for Jeff George.

Also it seems like the coaches who go to Washington under Snyders tenure have just turned out bad once they have got there.

Marvin Lewis and Al Saunders are great coordinators and id say they failed in Washington.

Also the worst move of Norvs coaching career was to take the Oakland job.

Im sorry but there isnt a coach out there who could have had success with that team after they sold out to win the Superbowl.

They had no financial flexibility at all after signing all of those old players to big contracts. I dont think the Raiders will be able to recover from that for another 3 years at least.

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Im a big Norv fan and what we have here in place for him in Dallas is more talent than hes had anyways else hes coached.

Plus just having a Quarterback can make any coach look good.

Im not sold on him by any means but I do think Norv is one of the best football minds out there and i'd love to see how he would do here in Dallas with an actual fighting chance of being a success because I think hes got all the weapons he needs at his finger tips here in Dallas.

That he, yet again, took another bad job?
That Jerra interferred?
That the OL did not give him a chance to be an offensive genius?
Honestly, Norm is a second-tier coach.
Parcells at least had a track record.
Parcells, I didn't mean what I said. Please come back!
Protect us from Norval Eugene Turner!

The whole world is watching!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Norv's biggest downfall was that he sucked at his job

-GROT

 

[Gaede]

haha, yeah, it's not like Norv is coming into a great situation either

-He's got an aggressive owner who is desperate to get back into the swing of things (and this owner is the exact same type as those that supposedly precluded him from doing his job in Oak. and Wash.)
-He's got a team cancer the likes of which has never been seen. Randy Moss is nothing compared to TO
-He's got a defense with no confidence
-He's got an Oline with two good players...and they could both leave in the off season
-He's got an OC who will supplant him at the first sign of failure
-He's got nostalgic fans who expect 'more of the same' from the 90s

 

[Oh_Canada]

"Sexy hires".....fail more often than they succeed. Everyone points out Mangini and Payton, but forget about the Greg Williams tenure in Buffalo or Gary Kubiak in Houston or Scott Linehan in St.Louis.

Give me Phillips....don't worry about the fist pumping baloney or the pretty boy looks...I want to see a dominating defense in Dallas.

 

[ndanger]

Taking bad jobs is stupidity. Do we want an idiot as coach?

"Gee, I am destined for failure on this horrible team, might as well steer her into the iceberg"

There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL(if you count the Raiders),if you have ambitions to be at the pinnacle of your profession,you do not pass on an opportunity irregardless of the team.That Norv is being mentioned a third time should speak to the fact that the man has more to offer than some are giving him credit for.

 

[bbgun]

He's worked for two egomaniacal owners and is about to toil for a third.

 

[Cochese]

There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL(if you count the Raiders),if you have ambitions to be at the pinnacle of your profession,you do not pass on an opportunity irregardless of the team.That Norv is being mentioned a third time should speak to the fact that the man has more to offer than some are giving him credit for.

Or how dire the coaching situation in the NFL is. Take your pick.

 

[Bob Dole]

You can make any excuses you want for Norval, but here's the facts - 9 SEASONS, 1 PLAYOFF APPEARENCE.

If that's what you want in a head coach, then get your damn head checked.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

well, if Parcells hamstrung the defense, it stands to reason he did the same for the offense.

Taking into account Parcells consevativism then--and taking into account under this conservative umbrella, the offense still performed better than the defense--it stands to reason that the defense is still the bigger problem. That is to say, since both coordinators were hamstrung by Parcells, the element of Parcells is cancelled out.

I'm not sure you followed my earlier post (or maybe I'm not following yours ). I was defending Bowles and the people that feel he was involved in the conservative playcalling of the Defense, plus the fact that Norv will attack obvious weaknesses when they are there, instead of following the gameplan to the letter regardless of the success.

Norv's worst characteristic in Washington was the players he thought should be drafted and that will not be a problem here. Plus, if Jerrah is convinced that Garrett is a head-coach in training, why not have Norv here to get him ready.

For the record, I was hoping for Rivera, but this was almost a slam-dunk when they hired Garrett.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Kind of ironic that many of the same people that are calling Turner a failure in Washington also claim that the Parcells era in Dallas was a success.

Remind me which one won a playoff game again.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That is my opinion anyways.

He had Washington turned into a respectable team and Snyder started trying to make football decisions and it ended up being the downfall of that team.

Brad Johnson was Norvs guy but Snyder kept pushing and pushing for Jeff George.

Norv was hired far before Snyder became the owner. While I think Snyder is a lousy owner, the fact is that Norv's most successful year with the Skins was under Snyder. Norv's lack of success in Washington for the most part was his own ineptitude as a head coach.

Marvin Lewis and Al Saunders are great coordinators and id say they failed in Washington.

Lewis got one year to coach there and his defense was better than given credit for, especially since Spurrier had no concept of time of posession. Saunders improved the offense statistically in less than one season. I wouldn't call them having great years, but I wouldn't say they were failures either.

Also the worst move of Norvs coaching career was to take the Oakland job.

Im sorry but there isnt a coach out there who could have had success with that team after they sold out to win the Superbowl.

Yes, but the Raiders had tremendous pieces in place on offense. If their offense was really good and they lost because their defense stunk, I could understand. But he made the Raiders offense look like San Jose State.

If Norv is hired as the HC, I'll be playing golf on Sundays. I don't need the pain and aggravation.

Seriously, did people actually watch our defense play in December? We couldn't stop anybody.

I'm not nutty on Wade Phillips, but he's a better HC than Norv was (and he was forced to start Rob Johnson over Doug Flutie) and at least hiring him would follow some logic.


YAKUZA

 

[Hailmary]

Taking bad jobs is stupidity. Do we want an idiot as coach?

"Gee, I am destined for failure on this horrible team, might as well steer her into the iceberg"

Bad analogy. It's better to steer straight onto an iceberg rather than trying to turn away from it (b/c you are probably not going to be able to steer away from it fast enough...sorta like "attacking" rather than falling "victim" to it).

....anyway....

No matter how bad the team is, for a coordinator to refuse a HC position (a promotion) is more stupid than any other choice he can make during his tenure in the game. I would be more down on Norv had he turned down those opportunities, saying "no thank you. I don't see any potential in this team and i don't think there's anything I can do to turn things around".

 

[InmanRoshi]

The reason he has to take "bad jobs" is because good organizations don't offer him head coaching positions.

I wonder why that is?


And anything you say about Washington or Oakland can be said of Dallas.

 

[Gaede]

The reason he has to take "bad jobs" is because good organizations don't offer him head coaching positions.

And anything you say about Washington or Oakland can be said of Dallas.

hahaha...great point

 

[Bob Dole]

Kind of ironic that many of the same people that are calling Turner a failure in Washington also claim that the Parcells era in Dallas was a success.

Remind me which one won a playoff game again.

Comparing Norval's nine seasons to Parcells' four here is a bit ridiculous.

Besides, despite the fact that this team has not won a playoff game, Parcells has left the cupboard full for this team to be a contender for years to come.

To place all that work done into the hands of someone as incapable as Norval could potentially set this franchise back five years. It's back to the Campo era.

 

[MarkBrunell]

I love reading the spin already coming out. The deal is Norv sucked. Norv is a horrible motivator and horrible players coach and a horrible HC. He made zero adjustments at half time and it was probably the worst thing about him. As a fan you know what was wrong, too bad Norv didn't.

Players dont respect Norv, Norv doesn't even respect himself. The most clueless person I've seen as a HC. Heck even Darrell Green said that Norv was a weak HC.

Enjoy Norv, you guys will be making the Get Rid of Norv bandwagon in less than a week.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Norv Turner would have a very good team with the Cowboys...

 

[theogt]

Yeah, that was Sean Payton's biggest downfall as well...oh wait.

 

[hank2k]

Comparing Norval's nine seasons to Parcells' four here is a bit ridiculous.

Besides, despite the fact that this team has not won a playoff game, Parcells has left the cupboard full for this team to be a contender for years to come.

To place all that work done into the hands of someone as incapable as Norval could potentially set this franchise back five years. It's back to the Campo era.

I feel like that old indian by the side of the road in the commercial when they threw a bunch of trash at his feet. A single tear...what might have been.