Not a Ted Ginn Fan but man...

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CATCH17;1441312 said:
Ginn is a project. A lot like Devon Hester except Ginn is better at receiver than Hester has ever been at any 1 position and Ginn is still very very Raw.

If you think Ted Ginn Jr has reached his ceiling and is as good as hes going to get then your crazy.

He has the capabilities and athleticism to turn into a Steve Smith type player.

Also he would be huge for us in the return game so he could contribute while sitting behind some guys and learning.

Ted Ginn can contribute right away no doubt.

If he is there at 22 and he is passed over or I hear " There has been a trade", I will scream Steven Jackson and punch myself in the face.

The ONLY thing I fear about Ginn is him taking a big shot on a PR or KR and dislocating a shoulder.
 

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CATCH17;1441312 said:
Ginn is a project. A lot like Devon Hester except Ginn is better at receiver than Hester has ever been at any 1 position and Ginn is still very very Raw.

If you think Ted Ginn Jr has reached his ceiling and is as good as hes going to get then your crazy.

He has the capabilities and athleticism to turn into a Steve Smith type player.

Also he would be huge for us in the return game so he could contribute while sitting behind some guys and learning.

Ohio State like USC seems to get the full potential out of their players while they are there so I'm a little worried when considering high-profile offensive talents in the first round.It's hard to find undiscovered talent in players that have been in both those programs.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1441327 said:
Ted Ginn can contribute right away no doubt.

If he is there at 22 and he is passed over or I hear " There has been a trade", I will scream Steven Jackson and punch myself in the face.

The ONLY thing I fear about Ginn is him taking a big shot on a PR or KR and dislocating a shoulder.

:laugh2:
 

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Ginn has quite a highlight video doesn't he. On the plus side he would make an immediate impact, no question. I'm just not sure that he would ever turn into an elite receiver.
 

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Im sorry but WR are risky enough as it is and this one is riskier than most. I would be looking for electronic components to trhow were we to pick him at 22.
 

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Seems like 90% in support of us getting Ginn in here (me included).

Unfortunately every other team in the league knows this guys potential and no way he lasts till our pick.

Its gonna come down to wether Jerry likes Meachum or Bowe better , imho.
 

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Although I love Jarrett, and would love to have him at #22.

When I lie there at night trying to fall asleep playing Cowboys GM in my mind, like I'm sure many others here do. The one player that really gives me the feeling that he could take us to a dynamic level, make the most immidiate and explosive impact is Ginn.

I watched Jarrett progress gradually from a overhyped freshman, who showed glimpses of "skys the limit" skills, to a finely polished, confident WR, who had worked extremely hard to develope into a savvy, crafty, polished route running, playmaker.

I think his Pro career will be similar, and he will take a couple of years to become that guy who takes over a game IMO.

Tedd Ginn on the other hand, exploded on to the scene at OSU, I remember watching his first couple of games as a freshman at OSU. The atmosphere was electric with anticipation. There was this sense that every player on the opposing team knew who Ginn was, and not only feared him, but wanted to watch him like the rest of us, to see the legend of Tedd Ginn Jr.

I think his Pro career will be sinilar, from the day he steps on the field (hopefuly with a star on his helmet) opposing defenses will know, who and where he is. They will roll their D to protect against the deep bomb, corners will lay off knowing if they blink, Ginn will be gone.

The impact that he will have on our team from day one makes my pulse rise fantasising about it.

Never was the impact that Ginn has on a game more evedint than in the national championship game, all of a sudden this great OSU team with the great Troy Smith, was completely lost.The QB was inept, the receivers couldn't get open, and the RB's had nowhere to go.

Never have I seen a player (other than QB) mean so much to the dynamic of his teams success.

Now I think Florida is a great team, and they played a great game, but as soon as they said Ginn was out of the game, I knew we weren't watching a fair game anymore.

It was like when the Pistons beat my Lakers without Magic, kind of hollow. As a fan I felt robbed, it was almost like FL could cheat. Ginn was that important, all of a suden the guy that the defense had to be aware of, and compensate for every second, every move, was gone.

Imagine what a player like this could do for our offense, I put him right there with Reggie Bush as far as special. Like Bush there may be concerns about durability, or every down production, but like Bush, just as he is, is better than most we've ever seen.
 

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Although I love Jarrett, and would love to have him at #22.

When I lie there at night trying to fall asleep playing Cowboys GM in my mind, like I'm sure many others here do. The one player that really gives me the feeling that he could take us to a dynamic level, make the most immidiate and explosive impact is Ginn.

I watched Jarrett progress gradually from a overhyped freshman, who showed glimpses of "skys the limit" skills, to a finely polished, confident WR, who had worked extremely hard to develope into a savvy, crafty, polished route running, playmaker.

I think his Pro career will be similar, and he will take a couple of years to become that guy who takes over a game IMO.

Tedd Ginn on the other hand, exploded on to the scene at OSU, I remember watching his first couple of games as a freshman at OSU. The atmosphere was electric with anticipation. There was this sense that every player on the opposing team knew who Ginn was, and not only feared him, but wanted to watch him like the rest of us, to see the legend of Tedd Ginn Jr.

I think his Pro career will be sinilar, from the day he steps on the field (hopefuly with a star on his helmet) opposing defenses will know, who and where he is. They will roll their D to protect against the deep bomb, corners will lay off knowing if they blink, Ginn will be gone.

The impact that he will have on our team from day one makes my pulse rise fantasising about it.

Never was the impact that Ginn has on a game more evedint than in the national championship game, all of a sudden this great OSU team with the great Troy Smith, was completely lost.The QB was inept, the receivers couldn't get open, and the RB's had nowhere to go.

Never have I seen a player (other than QB) mean so much to the dynamic of his teams success.

I dont know if you stated this anywhere but when Ginn got to Ohio State he was the #1 Cornerback in the nation out of highschool and got moved to receiver.

They really didnt know what to do with him until his sophomore season.

If Parcells were here this guy would be a no brainer.... Hopefully we have the coaches who could teach him cause this kid has all the talent you want in my mind and will improve tremendously with good coaching.

It Boils down to this for me. When Ted Ginn Jr touches the ball hes dangerous and we need that.
 
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Tristan;1441421 said:
Although I love Jarrett, and would love to have him at #22.

When I lie there at night trying to fall asleep playing Cowboys GM in my mind, like I'm sure many others here do. The one player that really gives me the feeling that he could take us to a dynamic level, make the most immidiate and explosive impact is Ginn.

I watched Jarrett progress gradually from a overhyped freshman, who showed glimpses of "skys the limit" skills, to a finely polished, confident WR, who had worked extremely hard to develope into a savvy, crafty, polished route running, playmaker.

I think his Pro career will be similar, and he will take a couple of years to become that guy who takes over a game IMO.

Tedd Ginn on the other hand, exploded on to the scene at OSU, I remember watching his first couple of games as a freshman at OSU. The atmosphere was electric with anticipation. There was this sense that every player on the opposing team knew who Ginn was, and not only feared him, but wanted to watch him like the rest of us, to see the legend of Tedd Ginn Jr.

I think his Pro career will be sinilar, from the day he steps on the field (hopefuly with a star on his helmet) opposing defenses will know, who and where he is. They will roll their D to protect against the deep bomb, corners will lay off knowing if they blink, Ginn will be gone.

The impact that he will have on our team from day one makes my pulse rise fantasising about it.

Never was the impact that Ginn has on a game more evedint than in the national championship game, all of a sudden this great OSU team with the great Troy Smith, was completely lost.The QB was inept, the receivers couldn't get open, and the RB's had nowhere to go.

Never have I seen a player (other than QB) mean so much to the dynamic of his teams success.

Now I think Florida is a great team, and they played a great game, but as soon as they said Ginn was out of the game, I knew we weren't watching a fair game anymore.

It was like when the Pistons beat my Lakers without Magic, kind of hollow. As a fan I felt robbed, it was almost like FL could cheat. Ginn was that important, all of a suden the guy that the defense had to be aware of, and compensate for every second, every move, was gone.

Imagine what a player like this could do for our offense, I put him right there with Reggie Bush as far as special. Like Bush there may be concerns about durability, or every down production, but like Bush, just as he is, is better than most we've ever seen.

Great Post!
 

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Tristan;1441421 said:

I agree with the points about the national title game. OSU's offense took a massive nosedive with him out and Troy Smith just lost a ton of stock in his draft position cause of that game. He needed Ginn. He was getting pressured quite a bit, but even then he had plenty of time to throw the ball on MANY occasions and there was just nobody that could gain any separation. Double gonzo and they were done.

Ginn is raw, which is why our team is in the perfect position for him to develop into a monster. Too many crappy comparisons being thrown around trying to justify him being a bust. Just look at 4:34 in the video and see what you're getting.
 

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This guy would easily be the fastest cowboy since deion. I love ginn. As a gator fan, we had no one who could cacth him on that kickoff return, other than percy harvin, but he wasn't on the field. The only thing im worried about, is his ability to beat press coverage. His versatility might be to much to pass up at #22. I would be thrilled if we drafted him. This just goes to show you how deep this draft is, players like ginn could be their at #22.
 

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Ok i have been on the fence about this whole Ginn thing. I used to think he was overrated, and a huge bust. But the more i think about it, the more i see him being perfect for the cowboys.

With a guy like Glenn on the roster (same build and type speed) he could get tutored on how to take care of his body ( as glenn learned the hard way) and how to use his speed.

He could start out as our KR/PR ( im sorry TT but you just dont have the moves), and our 4 WR, who could be Romo's homerun threat in certain situations. And then maybe in a year or two replace Glenn as the #2. ( I still think we need a Irvin type of #1)

So yea, im liking this pick more and more each day. And if the draft doesnt get here soon enough then imma have to make a time machine, and make it pass by
 
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miamicowboy21;1441501 said:
This guy would easily be the fastest cowboy since deion. I love ginn. As a gator fan, we had no one who could cacth him on that kickoff return, other than percy harvin, but he wasn't on the field. The only thing im worried about, is his ability to beat press coverage. His versatility might be to much to pass up at #22. I would be thrilled if we drafted him. This just goes to show you how deep this draft is, players like ginn could be their at #22.


Percy Harvin couldn't sniff Ginn on that play...

Ginn Jr. ran right by 4.3 Reggie Nelson (albeit he had a poor angle).

Take a look..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1FPSVBTF1E&mode=related&search
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1441112 said:
It's interesting. I've contended that Ginn makes the most sense if you want to draft a guy in the first round that can produce immediatly. I agree with what both of you say here. However, it really goes beyond that IMO. Most everybody thinks that Owens is a fast guy. I don't really think he is all that fast. He didn't run fast at his combine which is one of the reasons he didn't go high. He has never been a guy who is considered fast but a guy who can catch a ball and take it to the house. Yards off broken tackles vs yards after catch are different. I mean, if you go out and catch a 40 yard sideline and take it another 20 into the endzone untouched, that's a different kind of RAC yards. Ginn is a guy who really brings balance to our team IMO. I never really thought we needed an all world WR but instead, a guy who could force the double over the top with speed. Glenn used to have that kind of speed but now I think he's more quick then flat out fast. Owens, to me, was never that kind of WR. Ginn is a guy who could really even out the offense IMO.

I hate TO. Just wanted to say that first. But you are just wrong on his speed. Go back and watch Julius' long 65 (70?) yd run against the saints. I think it was like 2nd or third play of game? You see julius taking it to the house and being chased by Saints DB's and then you see TO just FLYING past everyone, including julius. and i dont mean just kinda catched up with, Flying past.

I though Miles Austin was not just good for a rookie, i thought he was flat out excellent. We always got the ball at the 35, 38, etc. I dont know. I guess it wouldnt be the worst pick. (jarrett would be) I do think he could play and help immediately.
 
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TDH;1441672 said:
I hate TO. Just wanted to say that first. But you are just wrong on his speed. Go back and watch Julius' long 65 (70?) yd run against the saints. I think it was like 2nd or third play of game? You see julius taking it to the house and being chased by Saints DB's and then you see TO just FLYING past everyone, including julius. and i dont mean just kinda catched up with, Flying past.

I though Miles Austin was not just good for a rookie, i thought he was flat out excellent. We always got the ball at the 35, 38, etc. I dont know. I guess it wouldnt be the worst pick. (jarrett would be) I do think he could play and help immediately.


T.O is said to have run a 4.6 at the combine.

Julius Jones ran a 4.49 at the combine.

Julius is at a dead sprint and T.O is 5-7 yards behind throwing what "looks" like a block.

T.O then accelerates and almost catches Julius in the endzone. Incredible burst for a 4.6 guy.

Shows what some hard work can for you. He might be a punk sometime but you CANT question his speed, even at 33.

Heres the video.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2H7WHErZA
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1441682 said:
T.O is said to have run a 4.6 at the combine.

Julius Jones ran a 4.49 at the combine.

Julius is at a dead sprint and T.O is 5-7 yards behind throwing what "looks" like a block.

T.O then accelerates and almost catches Julius in the endzone. Incredible burst for a 4.6 guy.

Shows what some hard work can for you. He might be a punk sometime but you CANT question his speed, even at 33.

Heres the video.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2H7WHErZA


When I saw that play live I was thinking...damn! T.O. can run fast!


Call him what you want, but, the guy does play football...


;)
 

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I'd love to have the guy.

But will he ever be a good WR?

Is he Desmond Howard reborn?

or is he another Santana Moss?

He'd be a great PR. Our best since Deion. But if he never develops into a WR, then I'm not sure he would've been worth the pick at 22.

IMO, he's one of the toughest players in this draft to evaluate. Only 2 full years as a WR.

Anyone remember "Jet Stream" Roy Green for the St. Louis Cardinals? It seemed every year he switched from WR to CB. Ginn strikes me as this type of player.

I'd love to see highlights of him catching the ball and taking a lick. I really want to see if he can lay out and catch the ball. I want to know if he can make sideline catches and toe tap.
 

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TDH;1441672 said:
I hate TO. Just wanted to say that first. But you are just wrong on his speed. Go back and watch Julius' long 65 (70?) yd run against the saints. I think it was like 2nd or third play of game? You see julius taking it to the house and being chased by Saints DB's and then you see TO just FLYING past everyone, including julius. and i dont mean just kinda catched up with, Flying past.

I though Miles Austin was not just good for a rookie, i thought he was flat out excellent. We always got the ball at the 35, 38, etc. I dont know. I guess it wouldnt be the worst pick. (jarrett would be) I do think he could play and help immediately.


Perhaps that is so but I don't agree. I do not believe that TOs speed scares DCs. They are more affraid that he will catch the hitch and break it for a big gain. TO is not treated to double coverage over the top with a safety all the time. Real speed, IMO, makes you do that. I believe that TO is probably a pretty good 100 or 200 guy but I don't believe that's the same as a guy who can flat burn you in the first 5 yards. Those guys are guys who get 10 yard cushions from the get go. Watch that clip again and tell me where the DB is when he lines up in coverage on TO. That alone tells you what they think of TO and his ability to flat out run.
 

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It would be good if he is there...but, I doubt it...

Besides, I heard that you don't draft a receiver in the first round.

He's going to be a good one...


;)
 
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