Not to pick on Winicki...

[Bob Sacamano]

Werent you the guy who said "how many sacks does our d-line have?"

How many did they have yesterday?

Like I said a million times before... we have been getting pressure, sacks help but most of all just look good for stats but its the pressure that gets it done.

you have to admit though, yesterday's pressure, the kind we were getting on Manning, was out of the ordinary, we never had a pass-rush like we did yesterday in awhile

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, it wasn't a jailhouse break. The blitz were selective and came from everywhere. Sometimes it was up the middle, sometimes from the left and sometimes from the right.

The key was that we weren't predictable as we have been too often this season. Ware blitzed, which was predictable. But so did Carpenter, James and Newman.

We managed to keep Manning off balance because he often guessed wrong where we were coming from and as a result their protection broke down. And even when we didn't blitz, we got pressure.

Manning will kill you on all-out jailbreaks because they are difficult to disguise. But a varied, selective blitz package can be successful against Peyton Manning because they can be disguised.

And once you get to him early, even Manning will get rattled. And that's what happened at times yesterday.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He's a hypocritical bastid. Always has been.

And he has poor hygeine too.

I am not poor.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

you have to admit though, yesterday's pressure, the kind we were getting on Manning, was out of the ordinary, we never had a pass-rush like we did yesterday in awhile

That's the point I was making. We haven't "seen" that style defense in a long, long time. Was I wrong forming an opinion on what we had seen for 2 years+? I don't believe so.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That's the point I was making. We haven't "seen" that style defense in a long, long time. Was I wrong forming an opinion on what we had seen for 2 years+? I don't believe so.

Wrong in forming the opinion that Zimmer is not a very good defensive, yes. The stats prove that assesment is false. Boring defense does not equal bad defense, and blitzing does not a great defense make.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's the point I was making. We haven't "seen" that style defense in a long, long time. Was I wrong forming an opinion on what we had seen for 2 years+? I don't believe so.

you weren't wrong

but you also weren't on the GROZ bandwagon crap, so I kind of left you alone

you were at where I have been, the pass-rush isn't bad, but it could be better, and the talent is there for it to be better...once BIll loosens those reins

 

[theogt]

Just watched the first half again. Excluding goalline/short yardage plays we blitzed 6 times in the first half. Three of those 6 blitzes resulted in 7+ yards by Indy. Of the numerous pressures, sacks, INTs, etc. only one of which was the result of a blitz.

Five of the blitzes were 5-man blitzes and the sixth was a 6-man blitz. We didn't beat the Colts because of exotic blitzing.

 

[kTXe]

Just watched the first half again. Excluding goalline/short yardage plays we blitzed 6 times in the first half. Three of those 6 blitzes resulted in 7+ yards by Indy. Of the numerous pressures, sacks, INTs, etc. only one of which was the result of a blitz.

Five of the blitzes were 5-man blitzes and the sixth was a 6-man blitz. We didn't beat the Colts because of exotic blitzing.

Just as I thought. Nice work.

 

[Crown Royal]

Just watched the first half again. Excluding goalline/short yardage plays we blitzed 6 times in the first half. Three of those 6 blitzes resulted in 7+ yards by Indy. Of the numerous pressures, sacks, INTs, etc. only one of which was the result of a blitz.

Five of the blitzes were 5-man blitzes and the sixth was a 6-man blitz. We didn't beat the Colts because of exotic blitzing.

:looks to ThirtyYardSlant:

Rebuttal?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just watched the first half again. Excluding goalline/short yardage plays we blitzed 6 times in the first half. Three of those 6 blitzes resulted in 7+ yards by Indy. Of the numerous pressures, sacks, INTs, etc. only one of which was the result of a blitz.

Five of the blitzes were 5-man blitzes and the sixth was a 6-man blitz. We didn't beat the Colts because of exotic blitzing.

Lies. Pure, unadulterated lies.

On the first sack of Manning, DeMarcus Ware blitzed and got the sack. On the second sack and subsequent fumble, Dallas blitzed Akin Ayodele, though Ratliff got the sack.

On the INT by RW at the 1, Dallas blitzed both Bobby Carpenter and DeMarcus Ware from their OLB positions. Dallas did not blitz on the second INT by Burnett.

Of the 3 good pressures Dallas got on mannign in the first half, 2 were the result of 5 man blitzes and the 3rd the result of a 6 man blitz.

In total, Dallas blitzed on 11 pass plays in the first half.

 

[The30YardSlant]

:looks to ThirtyYardSlant:

Rebuttal?

:laugh1:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Lies. Pure, unadulterated lies.

On the first sack of Manning, DeMarcus Ware blitzed and got the sack. On the second sack and subsequent fumble, Dallas blitzed Akin Ayodele, though Ratliff got the sack.

On the INT by RW at the 1, Dallas blitzed both Bobby Carpenter and DeMarcus Ware from their OLB positions. Dallas did not blitz on the second INT by Burnett.

Of the 3 good pressures Dallas got on mannign in the first half, 2 were the result of 5 man blitzes and the 3rd the result of a 6 man blitz.

In total, Dallas blitzed on 11 pass plays in the first half.

Admit it HH... you've been schooled (again).


It's OK.


I've schooled better.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Admit it HH... you've been schooled (again).


It's OK.


I've schooled better.

I would, but facts just got in the way. Damn them. Damn them all to Hell.

 

[kTXe]

Lies. Pure, unadulterated lies.

On the first sack of Manning, DeMarcus Ware blitzed and got the sack. On the second sack and subsequent fumble, Dallas blitzed Akin Ayodele, though Ratliff got the sack.

On the INT by RW at the 1, Dallas blitzed both Bobby Carpenter and DeMarcus Ware from their OLB positions. Dallas did not blitz on the second INT by Burnett.

Of the 3 good pressures Dallas got on mannign in the first half, 2 were the result of 5 man blitzes and the 3rd the result of a 6 man blitz.

In total, Dallas blitzed on 11 pass plays in the first half.

When you rush a single LB in the 3-4 defense, it is NOT a blitz.

Try again.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Leave Heavy Hitta Alone!!

 

[theogt]

Lies. Pure, unadulterated lies.

On the first sack of Manning, DeMarcus Ware blitzed and got the sack. On the second sack and subsequent fumble, Dallas blitzed Akin Ayodele, though Ratliff got the sack.

Ware, Spears, Canty, and Ferguson rushed the QB. A 4-man blitz? Three linemen + one LB does not equal a blitz.

On the INT by RW at the 1, Dallas blitzed both Bobby Carpenter and DeMarcus Ware from their OLB positions. Dallas did not blitz on the second INT by Burnett.

Oh, you mean the interception where Bobby Carpenter dropped back into pass coverage? Maybe you're thinking of another Roy INT at the 1. Again, there were only 4 men rushing the QB on that interception. That is not a blitz.

Of the 3 good pressures Dallas got on mannign in the first half, 2 were the result of 5 man blitzes and the 3rd the result of a 6 man blitz.

The 6-man blitz resulted in a 7+ yard play. Why? Because Manning knows how to beat the blitz. We blitzed the 2 extra defenders up the middle (showed this blitz before the snap). What happened? Quick slant to Marvin Harrison.

In total, Dallas blitzed on 11 pass plays in the first half.

Excluding goal-line and short yardage plays (where we stack the line and play the rush), Dallas blitzed SIX plays. Learn to count.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I would, but facts just got in the way. Damn them. Damn them all to Hell.

It's like this HH...


The Colts had 22 1st downs.... 22! And had over 300 yards in offense.

And yet they only scored 14 points. And their longest play was what only 38 yards?

You know why?

I know you don't know the answer so I'm going to educate you mate.

It's because they did exactly what I thought they would HH... they played "bend but not break" between the 20's and then stiffened up considerably once they had their goal-line at their back.

The ONLY thing that surprised me was that the d-line played with much more "push" than they have in the past. That was a surprise.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ware, Spears, Canty, and Ferguson rushed the QB. A 4-man blitz? Three linemen + one LB does not equal a blitz.

Oh, you mean the interception where Bobby Carpenter dropped back into pass coverage? Maybe you're thinking of another Roy INT at the 1. Again, there were only 4 men rushing the QB on that interception. That is not a blitz.

The 6-man blitz resulted in a 7+ yard play. Why? Because Manning knows how to beat the blitz. We blitzed the 2 extra defenders up the middle (showed this blitz before the snap). What happened? Quick slant to Marvin Harrison.

Excluding goal-line and short yardage plays (where we stack the line and play the rush), Dallas blitzed SIX plays. Learn to count.

Ogt you're really putting unrealistic demands on Heavy now!

Next you'll be asking him to "read".

 

[The30YardSlant]

When you rush a single LB in the 3-4 defense, it is NOT a blitz.

Try again.

A blitz is anytime a defense rushes a player not lined up on the LOS in a 3 or 4 point stance at the snap of the ball.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_(American_football)

Usually, blitzes are one or more linebackers or defensive backs, who normally remain behind the line of scrimmage during a play, but are instead sent across the line to the opponent’s side in order to try to tackle the quarterback or disrupt his pass drop.

I've got some beach front property in Arizona to sell you

 

[kTXe]

A blitz is anytime a defense rushes a player not lined up on the LOS in a 3 or 4 point stance at the snap of the ball.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_(American_football)



I've got some beach front property in Arizona to sell you

Shoot, if you are going to post a link as proof of your stance, you damn well better read through the whole thing.

There is some confusion among average fans as to what constitutes a blitz. Blitz is colloquially used to describe any time a LB or DB crosses the line of scrimmage when in actuality, a blitz is defined as the defense rushing the QB with more men than the offense has accounted for and can block. For example, if the defense rushes 5 men, that does not constitute a blitz (as a minimum of 5 blockers are on the offensive line).

God, this is too easy.