Notice: Roy Williams is back

[EMMITTnROY]

Totally disagree.

then you are wrong..

i have seen many times where defensive players say that Roy's intensity and his hard hitting fires up the whole defense and makes them want to be more intense and start laying the wood.. they say that his play-making ability is a big reason they are where they are.. and when TO got smacked talked by Plaxico, what did TO say? He said that he better watch out for Roy.. also, when the chips are down and someone needs to take the blame, Roy will do it and do it with class, even when things are not his fault.. he may not be a big "fire em up" talker, but his playing, his style, and his willingness to get his teammates' backs makes him a huge leader for this team..

 

[junk]

This is the type of talk that surprises me. Roy is a strong safety with five interceptions. Asante Samuel, Kevin Kaesviharn, Rashean Mathis, and Walt Harris are the only players in the league that have more interceptions than Roy (they all have 6). Other than Kaesviharn, they are all corner backs.

Roy IS making big plays, but it is never good enough for some folks.

He is also giving up some big plays. I realize you can't eliminate all of them, but you also can't constantly keep making excuses for all of them.

How many touchdowns have been on Roy this year? I bet it gets pretty close to matching or exceeding his interception mark.

Roy is quickly becoming one of those players that causes an uproar anytime anyone has some criticism.

 

[superpunk]

then you are wrong..

i have seen many times where defensive players say that Roy's intensity and his hard hitting fires up the whole defense and makes them want to be more intense and start laying the wood.. they say that his play-making ability is a big reason they are where they are.. and when TO got smacked talked by Plaxico, what did TO say? He said that he better watch out for Roy.. also, when the chips are down and someone needs to take the blame, Roy will do it and do it with class, even when things are not his fault.. he may not be a big "fire em up" talker, but his playing, his style, and his willingness to get his teammates' backs makes him a huge leader for this team..

Bull.

If Roy was such a leader he would have simulated makeout sessions with Bradie James before every game.

Does it make anyone else uncomfortable when Ray Lewis and Ed Reed do that? I'm just waiting for them to rip each other's shoulder pads off and start going to town. It's really weird.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Bull.

If Roy was such a leader he would have simulated makeout sessions with Bradie James before every game.

Does it make anyone else uncomfortable when Ray Lewis and Ed Reed do that? I'm just waiting for them to rip each other's shoulder pads off and start going to town. It's really weird.

that really is weird, i noticed that too.. honestly, I think that Ed is getting the hookup in that relationship..

 

[superpunk]

He is also giving up some big plays. I realize you can't eliminate all of them, but you also can't constantly keep making excuses for all of them.

How many touchdowns have been on Roy this year? I bet it gets pretty close to matching or exceeding his interception mark.

Roy is quickly becoming one of those players that causes an uproar anytime anyone has some criticism.

You couldn't find a DB in the league that those numbers aren't similar for. FWIW, I'd probably credit Roy with 2 - maybe 3 TDs given up this year. All earlier in the year. Bo Scaife.......who else?

 

[dbair1967]

. If he plays man-to-man, he stinks something fierce. .

I think you are not watching him then...he makes some of his best plays in man coverage and has since his rookie year

like many safeties sometimes he seems to have trouble finding the ball when closing on certain routes, but that isnt something thats unique to him

David

 

[dbair1967]

He is also giving up some big plays. I realize you can't eliminate all of them, but you also can't constantly keep making excuses for all of them.

How many touchdowns have been on Roy this year? I bet it gets pretty close to matching or exceeding his interception mark.

Roy is quickly becoming one of those players that causes an uproar anytime anyone has some criticism.

honestly he hasnt given up many tds...and a couple of the tds he might be credited with "giving up" were on plays where the QB had an eternity to throw the football (such as that TD Shockey scored)

He still isnt used in the role he'd be best suited for (and the role that made him such a dominant player at OU) but he has adapted well...a more aggressive, creative coordinator would have a field day with RW on their team

David

 

[zrinkill]

I see the "hate Roy agenda boys" have already hit this thread.

How many take aways does this guy that is a "liability" in coverage have this year?

 

[junk]

You couldn't find a DB in the league that those numbers aren't similar for. FWIW, I'd probably credit Roy with 2 - maybe 3 TDs given up this year. All earlier in the year. Bo Scaife.......who else?

Shockey. Clark.

He teamed up with Watkins on a couple of gaffes as well.

 

[Rampage]

Shockey. Clark.

He teamed up with Watkins on a couple of gaffes as well.

REALITY CHECK! safets do give up tds sometimes

 

[junk]

He still isnt used in the role he'd be best suited for (and the role that made him such a dominant player at OU) but he has adapted well...a more aggressive, creative coordinator would have a field day with RW on their team

David

I agree for the most part. I have to wonder about giving a big contract to a safety that you aren't going to use in a role to which he is best suited. Ideally, your front seven is good enough that you don't have to bring you SS up in the box (and it seems like Dallas is close to having that if they don't already). In that case, you want more Darren Woodson and less Roy Williams.

I think I come across as overly negative about the guy. I do like him and I do think he is a pretty good player. However, I do think he gets a lot of free passes around here.

I certainly don't think he is revolutionizing the position or is above reproach like some do.

 

[sjordan6]

None are perfect even the other top safeties that are compared to Roy, they give up big plays as well. Thus far this season Roy is helping to create turnovers and has a few picks himself, he is a great leader on this team and a big time intimadater. I don't expect him to be perfect but I do think he is a perfect fit for this team and feel lucky to have him as part of this team.

I agree with Dooms...Roy may not be perfect but he is perfect for this team. He does not have nor has he had the luxery of an experience free safety since Woodson left and he has had to learn think rather than just play.

Yes, he has given up some plays that has hurt the team and I remember the last game how he took the wrong angle on a few runs that allowed the Giants some extra yards. But overall he has made enough plays to warrant acknowledgement that he is a very good safety.

Last night Ed Reed bit on a flea-flicker that allowed a touchdown. Sh** happens. Roy has made more plays than he has given up and it about time that we salute Jerry for extending his contract but all he has done is make the Pro-Bowl every season since his rookie year. And he will be in Hawaii again this season with career high in ints.

Here to you Roy Williams...mr hard hitter-star-dater-fumble recoverer-intimidator-and all-proer safety of America Team. Here's to you!

 

[jterrell]

RW is what he is. A 240 pound headbanger.

He is not supposed to be covering slot WRs or athletic TE's man for man.
If a safgety has to do that it needs to be the free safety.

Just because Woody was a SS that could cover WRs does not mean that is a normal circumstance.

RW hurts people and that is his job. They get scared and drop passes, they lose consciousness and fumble. He needs a shirt that reads "I see dead people".

The guy is clearly a Pro Bowler. He changes game plans and becomes a target same way teams ran AT LT, because if you don't target RW he targets you.

 

[superpunk]

Shockey. Clark.

He teamed up with Watkins on a couple of gaffes as well.

There's the three. Watkins' TDs are on him, not Roy for not being able to cover the entire field.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't have NFL Channel, but from what I read, even the immortal Ed Reed looked bad a few times last night.

If Roy could cover like some want him to at 235 lbs... He'd be the Jim Brown of safeties. I won't criticise him too much if he's merely All-Pro.

 

[dbair1967]

In that case, you want more Darren Woodson and less Roy Williams.

well yeah, every team in the NFL would love to have Darren Woodson in his prime...he was arguably the best cover safety ever, excellent in run support and a great blitzer...Woodson type safeties are once a decade kinda guys

I certainly don't think he is revolutionizing the position or is above reproach like some do.

he probably isnt right now, but again, if he were used the right way he might be...the guy is a tremendous blitzer and hardly ever gets to do it here...and when he does its almost always from the same spot...there is no disguise to it at all

and in the short to intermediate areas, he is very good in man coverage

David

 

[dbair1967]

I don't have NFL Channel, but from what I read, even the immortal Ed Reed looked bad a few times last night.

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yeah he was pretty ordinary...he made one play, and that was on an underthrown pass...otherwise you'd never guess this guy was a probowler

David

 

[the kid 05]

Here to you Roy Williams...mr hard hitter-star-dater-fumble recoverer-intimidator-and all-proer safety of America Team. Here's to you!

try and say that one ten times fast

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I actually think Roy's year, last year, was better than his rookie year

Adam, stats please

 

[Bob Sacamano]

People are also quick to gloss over his obvious deficiencies as well.

He struggles in man coverage and athletic TEs routinely make him look silly.

did you watch the Bengal/Raven game last night, the one where Ed Reed bit on a play-action and got burned for a TD? no S can effectively cover man-to-man, and esp. against the likes of a Tony Gonzalez, LJ Smith, Jeremy Shockey, Witten etc.

He is a good safety, but far from perfect.

noone says he is

I'm sure defensive coordinators make an effort to exploit him and that isn't something you want from a supposed superstar.

3-4 teams make an effort to exploit Peyton Manning, so I guess he's a supposed superstar too then huh?

Personally, I think the team needs to figure out how to use him more around the LOS and less in coverage.

get a credible FS, and he will be able to do that, but I can't complain when he has been responsible for more good plays than bad