Notre Dame vs Texas

[Doomsday]

Fantastic game and great win for Texas

 

[StylisticS]

I just aged a little there.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Looks like Texas is finally back...they could be a problem this season. It's gonna be hard to stop that offense...I can see them winning the Big 12

 

[Biggems]

HOOK EM HORNS......for the first time in my life the Horns beat ND

 

[Nirvana]

With no NFL on today this game made a valiant effort to make up for that. Enjoyed every bit of it. Hook 'em!

 

[Nirvana]

 

[Sydla]

I didn't think it was either. Aimed low, Hunter was lower than planned.

That's textbook targeting. Even if the player ducks his head, kids have been tossed for still hitting a guy in the head in a situation like that.

Most of the college writers and analysts seems pretty convinced the Big 12 replay officials botched that call. What will happen is a story will drop in a couple of days where the Big 12 officials will admit they missed that booth review (or claim they didn't understand the new rule that allows them to enforce a targeting call not called on the field).

 

[Dallas_Cowboys50]

That's textbook targeting. Even if the player ducks his head, kids have been tossed for still hitting a guy in the head in a situation like that.

Most of the college writers and analysts seems pretty convinced the Big 12 replay officials botched that call. What will happen is a story will drop in a couple of days where the Big 12 officials will admit they missed that booth review (or claim they didn't understand the new rule that allows them to enforce a targeting call not called on the field).

but it shouldnt be is the point......if the "victim" has as much say in the collision point based on his own movements, (ducking into the oncoming hit) its really no ones fault, and damn sure shouldnt mean the defensive guy gets the blame.......

 

[Sydla]

but it shouldnt be is the point......if the "victim" has as much say in the collision point based on his own movements, (ducking into the oncoming hit) its really no ones fault, and damn sure shouldnt mean the defensive guy gets the blame.......

Well for one, the WR really wasn't ducking his helmet like some have claimed. He was still pretty upright when the kid clocked him..

Two, the rule is the rule. The officials totally botched that call. They just did.......... both the on the field (ACC) and booth officials (Big 12). If that's not targeting, as they define it, then they might as well just remove the rule from the rule book.

 

[Texas_Pete]

 

[Texas_Pete]

UT looked like Baylor, offensively. And you know Strong will have them playing tough D. I like it.

 

[Nirvana]

Well for one, the WR really wasn't ducking his helmet like some have claimed. He was still pretty upright when the kid clocked him..

Two, the rule is the rule. The officials totally botched that call. They just did.......... both the on the field (ACC) and booth officials (Big 12). If that's not targeting, as they define it, then they might as well just remove the rule from the rule book.

Nah

 

[Nirvana]

 

[Sydla]

Nah

You think this picture proves the point? You just gave us a still shot of the UT player's helmet/shoulder hitting the ND player's head. He's not diving down the ground, he's still fairly upright and by rule, that's still a penalty. That's about as clear cut a target penalty by the NCAA rules as you will ever see. Guys have been tossed for that exact hit in previous games. Shoot, some have been tossed for even less egregious hits.

If that's not targeting by the letter of the rule, then the NCAA should just toss that rule out altogether.

 

[Nirvana]

You think this picture proves the point? You just gave us a still shot of the UT player's helmet/shoulder hitting the ND player's head. He's not diving down the ground, he's still fairly upright and by rule, that's still a penalty. That's about as clear cut a target penalty by the NCAA rules as you will ever see. Guys have been tossed for that exact hit in previous games. Shoot, some have been tossed for even less egregious hits.

If that's not targeting by the letter of the rule, then the NCAA should just toss that rule out altogether.

The player was slightly crouched, and he could have been aiming for the ribs and incidentally hit his head. I get the sentiment, it is widespread that this is "targeting" but what I see is a good football play.

 

[Sydla]

The player was slightly crouched, and he could have been aiming for the ribs and incidentally hit his head. I get the sentiment, it is widespread that this is "targeting" but what I see is a good football play.

But there is no "accidently" in that rule. That's the point. There was a kid thrown out of a Pitt game last year when he dove at a RBs' legs but the RB dove too and they collided. Kid was tossed because that's how the rule was written.

UT got a big break there as ND should have had the ball first and goal. Probably wouldn't have mattered as ND's defense was a hot mess all night and UT could have kept scoring.

 

[Nirvana]

But there is no "accidently" in that rule. That's the point. There was a kid thrown out of a Pitt game last year when he dove at a RBs' legs but the RB dove too and they collided. Kid was tossed because that's how the rule was written.

UT got a big break there as ND should have had the ball first and goal. Probably wouldn't have mattered as ND's defense was a hot mess all night and UT could have kept scoring.

The point is, it's questionable if he was targeting the head or neck area. It was a bang-bang play and he wanted to hit him Hard, no question. But to the head? Not necessarily. He would have aimed higher.

 

[Nirvana]

Here is the rule

Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent
with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6)
(A.R. 9-1-3-I)

PENALTY—15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding
spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other
rules.
For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder of the
game. For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of
the game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second
half of the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall
serve the suspension during the first game of the following season. The
disqualification is subject to review by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5-f). [S38,
S24 and S47]
For games in which Instant Replay is not used: If a player is disqualified
in the second half, the conference may consult the national coordinator of
football officials who would then facilitate a video review. Based on the
review, if the national coordinator concludes that the player should not
have been disqualified, the conference may vacate the suspension. If the
national coordinator supports the disqualification, the suspension for the
next game will remain.

Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a
Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck
area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or
shoulder. When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6).
(A.R. 9-1-4-
I-VI)
PENALTY—15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding
spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other
rules.
For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder of the
game. For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of
the game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second
half of the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall
serve the suspension during the first game of the following season. The
disqualification is subject to review by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5-f). [S38,
S24 and S47]
For games in which Instant Replay is not used: If a player is disqualified
in the second half, the conference may consult the national coordinator of
football officials who would then facilitate a video review. Based on the
review, if the national coordinator concludes that the player should not
have been disqualified, the conference may vacate the suspension. If the
national coordinator supports the disqualification, the suspension for the
next game will remain.

Notes to 9-1-3 and 9-1-4
Note 1
: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes
of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or
a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are
not limited to:

• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and
forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at
the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the
head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of
the helmet

Note 2
: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a pass, or one who has completed a catch and
has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the
return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick.
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress
has been stopped.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession.

 

[Hardline]

It was an unintentional collision . There was no targeting.even the people that make the booth calls didn't see it. It wasn't helmet to helmet either. The refs showed great disapline for not overreacting to the play.

 

[Biggems]

Good hit, not targeting. He did his job and made the WR drop the ball...great defense.

Go back to South Bend with a little less shine on those Golden Domes.....Hook em