A real discussion is usually the real offer. Afraid to look at the reasons why and really appraise those large group of facts? Yes, you guys prefer crying and being assenine as to facts in play and how those work. Come up with your blue print and proven path to success. That all falls on Jerry, Stephen, your own moaning years ... it really isn't valid on how many nothing by crap is tossed around. All you are really enforcing is bias.
You have no clues that all men fail at some point, but you cheer your own observations when you claim that is the actual status. I don't respect that for a minute.
On your guy's vantage points, and not expanded to boundaries presented for a valid discussion...rootie tute tute, I really don't give a hoot.