Nugget from The Ringer about Cowboys offense

[darthseinfeld]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

Just a note, Gallup was pretty unproductive before the Cooper trade he was a better prospect than Tolbert. Its ok to have expectations of a 3rd WR as a 4th WR or even a 3rd WR. But expecting him to be an effective #2 is just asking for disappointment

 

[darthseinfeld]

How did Gallup do in those first 4-5 games? The expectations are Gallup could miss 3-5 weeks at the start of the season. So how did Gallup do those first 5 games?

6 catches, 92 yards. Total.

If the Cowboys are banking on Tolbert being a legit #2 for the first quarter of the season, that's an issue.

Well I see you covered that lol

I would sign Fuller as well. Yes he is injury prone, but he is also very good. We just need to be healthy for a quarter of the season

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

In all truth our #2 WR is a TE.

Or if KM had any brains, Pollard would be our #2 receiver.

 

[visionary]

Better than constantly whining about everything.
I don't live my life and go through each day with a cloud over my head.

Part of the fun is seeing how they play coming out of TC and see how they progress and improve. Does it always happen, no, but many times it also happens.

and also a ready made excuse for your ilk to fall back on if Dak struggles

nothing new

 

[fivetwos]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

Yep, I mentioned a couple weeks ago that Lamb is now right up there with Dak and Tyron as guys we cannot afford to lose.

That's what they do though. Every year. They count on a ton of things going right, and sometimes they do, but not enough of them.

As far as Tolbert, I think it's gonna take a while for Dak to trust him. It does seem like Fehoko is primed to step up a bit.....but hey, if this is what it takes for them to be more committed to the run game, so be it.

We are going to be good defensively. If we can muster up a solid run game this team has a chance to have a nice season.

 

[CWR]

Or if KM had any brains, Pollard would be our #2 receiver.

Pollard is vastly under utilized.

 

[HungryLion]

How did Gallup do in those first 4-5 games? The expectations are Gallup could miss 3-5 weeks at the start of the season. So how did Gallup do those first 5 games?

6 catches, 92 yards. Total.

If the Cowboys are banking on Tolbert being a legit #2 for the first quarter of the season, that's an issue.

It’s absolutely an issue. Very few rookie receivers period, come out hot from the gate. That includes the top end prospects even.

it’s just not a reasonable strategy to employ. To expect him to be a #2 guy off the jump.

If Gallup was healthy and Tolbert was the #3. That would be more reasonable.

 

[fivetwos]

Just a note, Gallup was pretty unproductive before the Cooper trade he was a better prospect than Tolbert. Its ok to have expectations of a 3rd WR as a 4th WR or even a 3rd WR. But expecting him to be an effective #2 is just asking for disappointment

Excellent points.

 

[zrinkill]

Another WR thread huh ....... Yea they are taking a huge gamble ........ Yea it will probably bite us in the arse ...... But nothing to be done now ........ Probably another waisted year.

 

[Ken]

How did Gallup do in those first 4-5 games? The expectations are Gallup could miss 3-5 weeks at the start of the season. So how did Gallup do those first 5 games?

6 catches, 92 yards. Total.

If the Cowboys are banking on Tolbert being a legit #2 for the first quarter of the season, that's an issue.

Also only had 15 targets.

Also, who was the #1 and #2 options in the passing game that year?

I don't think Tolbert is going to be our #2, probably #3.

Dak is also a better, more knowledgeable QB than he was that year.

 

[AKATheRake]

Lamb 90 catches and Shultz 70. Sprinkle in Pollards, Zekes, Gallup (When he comes back) and Tolberts catches. Our 1st 4 games are brutal, our division is weak and the team could be looking at being .500 coming out of those first 4 games.

Especially if we're running the ball well, the rest of the division isn't more than 2 games up on us, the defense is gelling and at optimal health. Gallup and Washington would be on their way back and OBJ might be available by that time as well. Even Emmanuel Sanders is out there still. So as long as Ceedee gets into the 1st game 100% healthy and on page with Dak, I'm okay to see what we got on the depth chart throughout training camp and 2 games into the season.

I think Pollard should play in the slot out of 2 RB sets personally. Should probably run a lot of 2 TE sets as well with Shultz and Ferguson. We know the mandate is to get Zeke the ball.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

couple of different thoughts on this:

1. Tolbert will not be the #2 option in this Offense, Unless he is the only WR we can put on the field. CD, TE, RB, then you get into Tolbert and Simi should be able to help with that role as well, he is in his second year and then Brown as looked really good. What i am saying is, we don't need Tolbert to be the #2 target in this O with everyone else we have.
2. We can't/shouldn't go get more WR at this point, not with 2 that will be coming back and Brown and Simi and if we really do plan to be a run first team then CD, The TEs , Brown, Simi and Tolbert is more than good enough to get us a through a few games.

And if history was a reason not to do things: Dak should have never been on the field as long as Romo was healthy in 16, history tells us that Rookies don't win SB, Parcells, McCarthy should have never been hired, History tells us NFL coaches don't win SB with 2 different teams. There are a lot of things that have never been done before, until they are done first time.

 

[morasp]

The average receptions and yards for rookie WRs drafted in 2021 that graded in the 6.2 to 6.3 range was 37 receptions and 390 yards. The high was Amon St. Brown for the lions with 90 receptions and 912 yards. He had the same draft grade as Tolbert.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Clearly, the Ringer underestimates the great Simi Fehoko

 

[jazzcat22]

and also a ready made excuse for your ilk to fall back on if Dak struggles

nothing new

No excuses.

 

[visionary]

No excuses.

LOL

 

[ChronicCowboy]

It’s obvious the front office is purposely leaving this team short handed. The reason they’re doing it is the only speculation.

I think they want to move on from MM and Zeke after the season and don’t want to assist them in prolonging their stays. Jerry got turned off by this roster and staff last season but didn’t feel it was the right time to turnover this past off-season.

I think we’ll see Zeke, Tyron, Schultz and a few others move on next off-season and a new coach with a new offense will be installed.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

Its not a big deal at all. But you can keep crying about it if you want. The feel good story of training camp has been the play of the young WR's.

If Lamb gets hurt.............yada yada yada. Cant run a team on worst case scenario.

 

[phildadon86]

It’s obvious the front office is purposely leaving this team short handed. The reason they’re doing it is the only speculation.

I think they want to move on from MM and Zeke after the season and don’t want to assist them in prolonging their stays. Jerry got turned off by this roster and staff last season but didn’t feel it was the right time to turnover this past off-season.

I think you are right.

And I personally believe that he and Payton already have a handshake deal in place. Hence the saving of 20 million in cap space, the lack of interest in any FA (not like that has changed in the last 5 years), and the absolute lack of acknowledgement of MM until pretty much right before the draft. So make the fans suffer yet another year so you can get your boy in here.

One thing is for sure. IF Payton is coming. He isnt going to let Jerry meddle. SO maybe (and I know its a long shot) but Payton is coming in as the culture changer we have been longing for.

Again. All speculation and probably a lot of hope lol. But I can dream.

 

[Ranched]

Just a bunch of gossip on someone else's opinion. Moving on....