Nugget from The Ringer about Cowboys offense

[J-man]

This is really weird because I have been calling for a vet WR to be signed, even before Washington went down and even more so after his injury. But for some reason, right now I feel I have to ask:

Is it just me, or is everyone seemingly forgetting all about James Washington because he's out injured right now? I admittedly don't know his time line to return, (anyone have an idea) but he will be back and I think he will be our #2wr without Gallup and #3wr with Gallup. Semi, Tolbert, Houston and Turpin just need to keep it going for now until these guys get back.
And to be honest, I fell if they both miss early games, it could be a very slow start for Dallas without them. Hence why I've been advocating for a vet to be signed.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think you are right.

And I personally believe that he and Payton already have a handshake deal in place. Hence the saving of 20 million in cap space, the lack of interest in any FA (not like that has changed in the last 5 years), and the absolute lack of acknowledgement of MM until pretty much right before the draft. So make the fans suffer yet another year so you can get your boy in here.

One thing is for sure. IF Payton is coming. He isnt going to let Jerry meddle. SO maybe (and I know its a long shot) but Payton is coming in as the culture changer we have been longing for.

Again. All speculation and probably a lot of hope lol. But I can dream.

I thought you were a better poster than this. Your outlandish takes recently are troubling to say the least.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Cowboys will lean more on the run game this season. Key will be the health of Zeke and more touches by Pollard. I do think Lamb will have a very good season and Dallas I suspect the Cowboys going to the TE's as the young WR are eased into the games.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

Yeah but how many of those 3rd round picks actually got the playing time and opportunities than we predicted Tolbert will be getting this season. Off the top of my head, Terrence Williams was ina similar predicament and he put up hood numbers as a 3rd round pick in his rookie season. Now Dak isn’t Romo…..

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Keep in mind, that we are not only asking the young and/or inexperienced WRs to start or play, but to play at a high level. That's waay too much pressure on some first-rounders and we are asking the same of a 3rd rounder? Unrealistic......

Not sure many remember but according to one of the beat writers, Pollard is going to WR meeting as well as RB.

 

[gimmesix]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

I've made this argument before looking at Gallup's production from his first season, when we badly needed a No. 1 or No. 2 receiver after cutting Dez, signed cheap WRs in free agency and drafted two, and ended up trading for Cooper.

Although I've advocated for picking up a receiver like Fuller or Beasley or Hilton before someone else does as vet insurance, I'm open to giving these young players some time in these preseason games to show that we shouldn't bring in a vet. It isn't just Tolbert, though, it's Fehoko, Houston, Turpin and even Pollard, who I think is going to play a bigger role in the receiving game this year. I'd throw Brown in there, too, but I'm not sure expecting a sixth-year receiver who's never been more than a No. 4 to become a No. 2 is expecting too much, and Vasher doesn't look like much more than a tall gimmick player.

I'm OK with giving them these next two preseason games (particularly the third one when Dak will play) to prove it, even though that likely will mean we'll need to trade for a vet receiver if they fail. I just hope that the Joneses learned from their by-committee approach that led to us trading for Cooper. I'd say they did to some extent because when they traded Cooper away, they did re-sign Gallup to make sure we do have a No. 1 and No. 2 at some point, but right now, we're back more like we were when we cut Dez with Lamb in the Beasley, proven-vet role, and a bunch of iffy No. 2s and No. 3s. We don't need to start the season with that, but let's see what the next couple of games show before we consider that the reality.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

I think they know the risks are and are perfectly happy with having a crappy season. They're in the NFC East so they'll likely have a winning record no matter what and will probably have a playoff game.

 

[phildadon86]

I thought you were a better poster than this. Your outlandish takes recently are troubling to say the least.

Hey. Crazier things have happened. Jerry isnt exactly a straight shooter lol.

Like I said. Its more hope than anything. I actually think MM is a good coach too but something about this stinks to me. We shall see.

Hopefully MM goes deeper into the playoffs and this conversation is moot.

 

[JBS]

Before the haters piggy back on this, how about giving the WR group a chance to see wha they do.

These are statistical facts. Nothing haterish about it. Calm down

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hey. Crazier things have happened. Jerry isnt exactly a straight shooter lol.

Like I said. Its more hope than anything. I actually think MM is a good coach too but something about this stinks to me. We shall see.

Hopefully MM goes deeper into the playoffs and this conversation is moot.

The whole WR crying is way overblown first of all. If TC proved anything, its that we have some young talent. And to think that Jerry is sabotaging the team this year by depleting the WR position is laughable.

Its pretty simple stuff. They are going with the young guys and they like some of the young talent. TC has so far proven them correct in that regard.

 

[CowboyRoy]

These are statistical facts. Nothing haterish about it. Calm down

The feel good story so far in camp is the play of the young WR's. I dont expect you to admit you were wrong until real games start happening. But does that at least lessen your worries a bit?

 

[conner01]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

I don’t think he’s gonna be ask to handle the 2 roll production but I also think he will I do think his production this season will be better than the median
I think we will use a lot of two TE sets and multiple WR’s will be involved to take some of the pressure off him
The real key is the oline. We have to run the ball and protect the QB
Nothing helps a WR more than a run game because it makes it harder to give help over the top

 

[phildadon86]

The whole WR crying is way overblown first of all. If TC proved anything, its that we have some young talent. And to think that Jerry is sabotaging the team this year by depleting the WR position is laughable.

Its pretty simple stuff. They are going with the young guys and they like some of the young talent. TC has so far proven them correct in that regard.

I never said he was sabotaging it purposely. Just like that article you posted about leaving the QB's out to dry. He is doing it with MM now. Sink or swim. Just my opinion. I am far more worried about the OL. And their refusal to bring in a vet.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I never said he was sabotaging it purposely. Just like that article you posted about leaving the QB's out to dry. He is doing it with MM now. Sink or swim. Just my opinion. I am far more worried about the OL. And their refusal to bring in a vet.

Your attitude clearly shows that he is doing it on purpose. There is no other way it can be said.

 

[Sydla]

The feel good story so far in camp is the play of the young WR's. I dont expect you to admit you were wrong until real games start happening. But does that at least lessen your worries a bit?

Will you admit you were wrong if it becomes obvious after a few games they have a WR problem?

 

[phildadon86]

Your attitude clearly shows that he is doing it on purpose. There is no other way it can be said.

Its Jerry lol. Do I think he is capable of it? Yes.

is he doing it? I doubt it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Will you admit you were wrong if it becomes obvious after a few games they have a WR problem?

Its not about the first few games. I expect some growing pains. And we will be thin until Gallup gets back.

 

[Rockport]

Any expectation that Tolbert can handle the #2 role until Gallup back should be quashed at this point if history is any indicator.

It's almost criminal that Jerry and Stephen seem to think WR is just in great shape at this point. They are assuming Gallup will be back in a few weeks after the season starts AND he'll just pick up right where he left off.

They are gambling at the WR position. And if Lamb were to get hurt for a game or two early, wooo boy.

EDIT: Before the homers get wound up, I am not suggesting Tolbert isn't good or whatever. But he is what he is - a third round rookie WR. They don't typically hit right away and take time to develop. It's almost unfair to the kid to expect him to fill that #2 role effectively until Gallup is back and proves he's 100% healthy.

The #2 WR isn’t on the roster right now.

 

[Sydla]

The #2 WR isn’t on the roster right now.

You are right, he's not. Which is why, IMO, they should have a veteran in here like Will Fuller to bridge the gap until Gallup is back, which could be 4-5 games into the season.

 

[Sydla]

Its not about the first few games. I expect some growing pains. And we will be thin until Gallup gets back.

It absolutely is about the first 4-5 games. You can't throw away games with the assumption, that hey, we'll take our lumps early and then be fine. In the four of the first five games, we are facing two divisional opponents and two teams in the Rams and Bucs that we might be in contention with for seeding come playoffs. Just saying, "OH, it's OK if we lose a couple of them because we'll get Gallup back soon after" is pretty silly thinking.

So again, if we have some WR issues and it possibly costs us a game or two, will you admit you were wrong?