o/t: Commanders mystery HC candidate...Jim Fassell?

[YosemiteSam]

newman (parcells didn't want him)

Where did you get this tidbit? I find that pretty hard to believe.

I have a Youtube link of Terrence Newman, but I can't link to it. The idiot thought he should load it full of foul language.

 

[iceberg]

Really? And you want us to believe that Jerry was the key personnel man behind the Super Bowl years and getting this version of the Cowboys from the 5-11 pit they were mired in to annual playoff contenders, all the while making excuses for what led us to those 5-11 years.

Yeah, good job proving my point about you. :laugh2:

where did i say jones was key?

go find it. you said i said it so before i defend something i (never) said i want you to go find where i did first.

your move chief.

 

[iceberg]

Where did you get this tidbit? I find that pretty hard to believe.

I have a Youtube link of Terrence Newman, but I can't link to it. The idiot thought he should load it full of foul language.

Parcells wanted Kevin Williams not Terrence Newman. Parcells also wanted to take Spears and not Ware with the 12th pick.

 

[superpunk]

Really? And you want us to believe that Jerry was the key personnel man behind the Super Bowl years and getting this version of the Cowboys from the 5-11 pit they were mired in to annual playoff contenders, all the while making excuses for what led us to those 5-11 years.

It's also pretty foolish to believe Jerry had nothing to do with at least our current turnaround (can't speak to the 90s without evidence) when he, Parcells and Ireland have all spoken about their "Holy Trinity" of decision making - each member acknowledging Jerry's final authority.

At the very least Jerry showed a willingness to work with and respect those two men. Jerry wanted to retain Parcells. Jerry loved working WITH him. It's clear he had some part in our resurrection, and learned a great deal from a great coach. You need to try and find a middle ground where you can acknowledge that.

 

[Bach]

where did i say jones was key?

go find it. you said i said it so before i defend something i (never) said i want you to go find where i did first.

your move chief.

So you don't think Jerry was the key personnel man when Jimmy and BP were here?

Me either. Good to see we agree on something.

 

[iceberg]

So you don't think Jerry was the key personnel man when Jimmy and BP were here?

Me either. Good to see we agree on something.

so i never said it and you make crap up to argue about?

yes. we agree about that.

like you're still doing. like i said, go find what you say i said. please. you're making up assuming one means the other when i've said more times than i've called you less than intelligent, i see a team where they needed each other for overall success.

you must have one OR the other. i see both together and don't really care about who gets the credit.

the COWBOYS get it.

now go find it so people know you don't make stuff up, ya know?

 

[Bach]

It's also pretty foolish to believe Jerry had nothing to do with at least our current turnaround (can't speak to the 90s without evidence) when he, Parcells and Ireland have all spoken about their "Holy Trinity" of decision making - each member acknowledging Jerry's final authority.

At the very least Jerry showed a willingness to work with and respect those two men. Jerry wanted to retain Parcells. Jerry loved working WITH him. It's clear he had some part in our resurrection. You need to try and find a middle ground where you can acknowledge that.

I've always acknowledged JJ's final authority. But it's not real hard rubberstamping someone else's decision. What proved hard for him was when he left himself leaning on an idiot like Lacewell in the mid 90's til BP arrived.

And I do credit Jerry for realizing "his way" was a failure and for finally bringing in a real football man like BP and for relinquishing considerable control that he had welded since Jimmy left.

But as it pertains to this current discussion about "personnel men", I stand by the fact Jerry is one of the league's worst. It's only when he relies on good football evaluators that we have any success.

 

[iceberg]

It's also pretty foolish to believe Jerry had nothing to do with at least our current turnaround (can't speak to the 90s without evidence) when he, Parcells and Ireland have all spoken about their "Holy Trinity" of decision making - each member acknowledging Jerry's final authority.

At the very least Jerry showed a willingness to work with and respect those two men. Jerry wanted to retain Parcells. Jerry loved working WITH him. It's clear he had some part in our resurrection, and learned a great deal from a great coach. You need to try and find a middle ground where you can acknowledge that.

so i never said it and you make crap up to argue about?

yes. we agree about that.

like you're still doing. like i said, go find what you say i said. please. you're making up assuming one means the other when i've said more times than i've called you less than intelligent, i see a team where they needed each other for overall success.

you must have one OR the other. i see both together and don't really care about who gets the credit.

the COWBOYS get it.

now go find it so people know you don't make stuff up, ya know?

and when you have both SP and I dogging on you, you're screwing up pretty big.

 

[Bach]

so i never said it and you make crap up to argue about?

yes. we agree about that.

like you're still doing. like i said, go find what you say i said. please. you're making up assuming one means the other when i've said more times than i've called you less than intelligent, i see a team where they needed each other for overall success.

you must have one OR the other. i see both together and don't really care about who gets the credit.

the COWBOYS get it.

now go find it so people know you don't make stuff up, ya know?

So what are you ranting about?

You don't believe Jerry has ever been the key personnel man in Dallas, and I don't either. Sounds like we are in full agreement. So what's your problem?

 

[iceberg]

I've always acknowledged JJ's final authority. But it's not real hard rubberstamping someone else's decision. What proved hard for him was when he left himself leaning on an idiot like Lacewell in the mid 90's til BP arrived.

And I do credit Jerry for realizing "his way" was a failure and for finally bringing in a real football man like BP and for relinquishing considerable control that he had welded since Jimmy left.

But as it pertains to this current discussion about "personnel men", I stand by the fact Jerry is one of the league's worst. It's only when he relies on good football evaluators that we have any success.

owens is not success?
newman?
davis?
ware over spears?

you use 'rubberstamp' at your own convenience when you NEED to create an illusion that just isn't there yet you can pull from this mythical action so easily simply because you want it to be true.

if wanting something to be true made it so, we'd not be having this conversation cause you'd be in another forum or a fan of a team you actually liked.

 

[iceberg]

So what are you ranting about?

You don't believe Jerry has ever been the key personnel man in Dallas, and I don't either. Sounds like we are in full agreement. So what's your problem?

now go find where i said jones was NOT the key here. again you're making stuff up so you don't actually have to take and stand by a position logically.

 

[Bach]

and when you have both SP and I dogging on you, you're screwing up pretty big.

maybe you can bring zrin in here and make it a threesome :laugh2:


yeah, I think I'll hold onto my position over here.

 

[iceberg]

maybe you can bring zrin in here and make it a threesome :laugh2:

yeah, I think I'll hold onto my position over here.

i'm sure you will.

 

[superpunk]

I've always acknowledged JJ's final authority. But it's not real hard rubberstamping someone else's decision. What proved hard for him was when he left himself leaning on an idiot like Lacewell in the mid 90's til BP arrived.

And I do credit Jerry for realizing "his way" was a failure and for finally bringing in a real football man like BP and for relinquishing considerable control that he had welded since Jimmy left.

But as it pertains to this current discussion about "personnel men", I stand by the fact Jerry is one of the league's worst. It's only when he relies on good football evaluators that we have any success.

We've got a pretty fantastic infrastructure installed here. I don't think Jerry's moved away from that simply because he let Ireland go to Miami. I doubt Ireland was the only member of the scouting department that Parcells attempted to "give his eyes" to while he was here.

I haven't seen anything out of Jerry that indicates he's returning to the Mad Hatter days. We made smart moves on draft day, had a very successful free agency, and a very successful season.

 

[Bach]

now go find where i said jones was NOT the key here. again you're making stuff up so you don't actually have to take and stand by a position logically.

How about we just make this real simple?

Was Jerry the key personnel man or was he not? It's a real easy question.

 

[iceberg]

How about we just make this real simple?

Was Jerry the key personnel man or was he not? It's a real easy question.

and my answer is still pretty simple.

the team was key. neither has had much success w/o the other so together they must have made up a "key" part of that success. along with davis, wanny, campo, turner and others that were the right man at the right time to form a FREAKING TEAM that was one of the most dominate in the NFL.

1 man does not do that, i don't care who he is. even if one is a "key" they still cannot do it alone or the rest of the puzzle.

geez - can someone write that up in crayola on a big chief pad so he's sure to see it in his natural reading habitat?

 

[Bach]

and my answer is still pretty simple.

the team was key. neither has had much success w/o the other so together they must have made up a "key" part of that success. along with davis, wanny, campo, turner and others that were the right man at the right time to form a FREAKING TEAM that was one of the most dominate in the NFL.

1 man does not do that, i don't care who he is. even if one is a "key" they still cannot do it alone or the rest of the puzzle.

geez - can someone write that up in crayola on a big chief pad so he's sure to see it in his natural reading habitat?

I agree that one man doesn't do 100% of it. But one man can still be the key man, you know, the main person making the critical decisions, ie, the one who is the most instrumental.

So I ask again, and it's real easy: Do you think that Jerry was the "key" personnel man during the SB years and during the time BP was here?

 

[iceberg]

I agree that one man doesn't do 100% of it. But one man can still be the key man, you know, the main person making the critical decisions, ie, the one who is the most instrumental.

So I ask again, and it's real easy: Do you think that Jerry was the "key" personnel man during the SB years and during the time BP was here?

gee - let me stick my foot in this trap and cry foul when you spring it and go HA!

you said jones was 1/3 responsible. then how come you slap down ALL compliments to his decisions on personnel? he gets 1/3 of them right, doesn't he? AS YOU SAID BEFORE. yet if there's an opportunity to bag on jones you take it and if not there, you fake it.

dude, i talk like a fool only so you'll understand me as best you can, not because i am. i fear i've lost 2 years of my intellictual life by engaging in this discussion as it for my attempt to try and show you just a little light in the cloud of stupidity and hatred. i can see now i must pay for my attempt and will now need to finish "war and peace" tonight and write myself a book report on the philosophies of all the main characters and compare them to todays world events. but i also fear that 2 years is gone just the same.

 

[Bach]

gee - let me stick my foot in this trap and cry foul when you spring it and go HA!

you said jones was 1/3 responsible. then how come you slap down ALL compliments to his decisions on personnel? he gets 1/3 of them right, doesn't he? AS YOU SAID BEFORE. yet if there's an opportunity to bag on jones you take it and if not there, you fake it.

dude, i talk like a fool only so you'll understand me as best you can, not because i am. i fear i've lost 2 years of my intellictual life by engaging in this discussion as it for my attempt to try and show you just a little light in the cloud of stupidity and hatred. i can see now i must pay for my attempt and will now need to finish "war and peace" tonight and write myself a book report on the philosophies of all the main characters and compare them to todays world events. but i also fear that 2 years is gone just the same.

That's a rather wordy way to say absolutely nothing.

I expected nothing less. See ya.

 

[iceberg]

That's a rather wordy way to say absolutely nothing.

I expected nothing less. See ya.

and i didn't expect you to get it either. have a day.