Observations from a long-time lurker who hates the chicken littles on this board

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RoyBiscuit;2262480 said:
By the way, still waiting for an answer to my question re: games during the Super Bowl years.

Well I will be happy to give it to you.

1992 season
Barely beat Giants 34-28
Barely beat Cards 31-20
Loss to the Eagles 31-7
Barely beat Cards 16-10
Loss to the Skins 20-17

1993 season
Loss to the Skins 38-16
Barely beat Cards 17-10
Barely beat Cards 20-15
Barely beat Eagles 23-17
Barely beat Giants 16-13

1994 season(even though we did not win superbowl I count this as among the championship years)
Barely beat Cards 28-21
Loss to Giants 15-10

1995 season
Loss to Skins 27-23
Loss to Skins 24-17
Loss to Eagles 20-17
Barely beat Giants 21-20

As you can see ..... Division games are almost always tight ..... no matter how good the Cowboys are.

The evidence is right there ...... against the greatest Cowboys team of all time.

Wanna know how many interceptions and fumbles led to those losses?

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RoyBiscuit;2262448 said:
No need to get defensive here, folks! I'm still a fan!! Just a concerned one :D

Exactly which division games during our Super Bowl years are you referring to where we played nearly as sloppy as tonight? Yes, I'm old enough to remember these games and in fact have a lot of games from that era on tape, so please let me know. This is no way a slam, I'm genuinely curious. The only game nearly as awful that I can recall off the top of my head is the '93 opener in Washington without Emmitt, which really isn't a fair comparison. I guess there's also the '92 Monday Nighter in Philly, but I would argue that score tonight should have been closer in our favor as it was for Philly then (31-7) than the slopfest we witnessed this evening, plus I would argue that that '92 team was leaps and bounds ahead in maturity and discipline than our current squad, despite being younger.

I'm very happy we won tonight, despite shooting ourselves in the foot. Actually...both feet. A couple of times each.

Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point, but I did say I was DRIVING this bandwagon among fellow fans, but now I'm pretty concerned. I do want to keep driving it. :D
mmmkay.

1992
We nearly blew a 34-0 lead against the Giants in Week 2 in 1992 ekeing out a 34-28 victory

Barely beat Phoenix on the road.

Lost to the Skins on the road.

1993
Played pretty sloppy in both games against Philly.

Our offense was shut fdown in second half of Week 18 vs the Giants for the division title.

1995

Were swept by the 6-10 Skins

Barely beat the 5-11 Giants by one at home.

Blew 14 pt lead at the Vet vs. Philly.
 

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What was enraging, embarrassing, pathetic, whatever negative term you choose to use was the 49-21 debacle in 2004 when McNabb and TO had their way with us and then some.

This was a good win, no matter how you may spin it.
 

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This thread is pathetic. We just won a great game against a top notch opponent. I see more positives than negatives in this game.

Some of the positives I see is that our D actually stopped a pretty good offensive team when it counted. Check the last two drives by the Eagles.

Tony Romo has really matured. Sure he threw and INT and fumbled the ball. But he regained his composure and did what he needed to do.

Lastly, we have a kickoff threat in Felix Jones. Heck we also have so many weapons on offense that his play had to be limited.
 

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Chicken Little ran around saying "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" when it wasn't. The phrase represents someone who warns of impending disaster when there is none impending... trying to whip up a frenzy of paranoia.

So I don't really understand why you are calling people on this board "chicken littles" and saying you "hate" some of us, and then proceed to make a giant chicken little rant yourself... Are you telling us you hate yourself, or what? Right now, you are the biggest chicken little here.

It's the 2nd game of the season. Calm down. If they're still getting 150 yards in penalties in week 6, then OK, it's time to get worried. Look at the Vikings, Seahawks, Jaguars, and most of all the Chargers. Teams that were popular picks for playoff berths and runs to the Super Bowl. They've all lost 2 games. We've won 2 games.

National Stage? When are the Cowboys not on the national stage? 2 or 3 games a year maybe? Hard Knocks, night games, afternoon starts, etc. Dallas has 4 noon starts on the schedule, and it's likely that 2-3 of those will be moved to the late game. Monday Night used to be a big deal, back when it was on ABC and it was the only game that didn't come on a Sunday afternoon.

There are some things to clean up, but the sky is not falling.
 

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This team is going to have to be more disciplined and limit the amount of penalties to advance. The first two weeks have been pretty bad in that regard.
 

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RoyBiscuit;2262474 said:
Yes, thats a great point. But do we know that for sure? Do we know after 2 weeks that either of these teams is the best in the NFC yet?

Stay on point...I was talking about what I saw IN THIS GAME. Its okay to do that. I promise.

Last week everyone was saying they suck and they played the "rams" now all of a sudden they are one of the best teams :rolleyes:
 

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I am with the original poster.....so you stick to your guns...and I know what it is like for people to spit on you when you speak the truth. With our track record in the playoffs, I don't see how ANYONE cannot be concerend with this defense. Said it all offseason and will keep saying it...until this defense plays to it's paycheck/draft status...we will not take the next step. I can think of several top tier teams in the NFL that would not have let this Eagles WRs corps come into there stadium and do this. Let's see if the Steelers let the Eagles toss the ball all over the place next week.
 

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Not sure why people can't understand that the Eagles are a very good team and they are going to put up points on every team they face if they stay healthy.

Heck, we, along with the refs practically gave them 14 points. The bogus pass interference call on Anthony Henry, in which the 2 plays later when Brian Westbrook scored, Mike Jenkins was was held and the refs blew that. The other of course being the Tony Romo fumble.

Of course the most troubling aspect of the game was the lack of a pass rush (how many years have we been saying that), the Offensive Line getting whippped and the absolutely atrocious tackling or lack thereof.

Just like Jaws and Kornheiser stated, "Find me another team that is better than these two"?
 

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He actually has a point. 11+ penalties a game will not fly come playoff time. The penalties have to stop at some point.
 

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Bob Sacamano;2262424 said:
he calls us "chicken littles"...
I would think his talking to all of you that were calling for Wade to be fired in the first half last night.
 

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RoyBiscuit;2262448 said:
No need to get defensive here, folks! I'm still a fan!! Just a concerned one :D

Exactly which division games during our Super Bowl years are you referring to where we played nearly as sloppy as tonight? Yes, I'm old enough to remember these games and in fact have a lot of games from that era on tape, so please let me know. This is no way a slam, I'm genuinely curious. The only game nearly as awful that I can recall off the top of my head is the '93 opener in Washington without Emmitt, which really isn't a fair comparison. I guess there's also the '92 Monday Nighter in Philly, but I would argue that score tonight should have been closer in our favor as it was for Philly then (31-7) than the slopfest we witnessed this evening, plus I would argue that that '92 team was leaps and bounds ahead in maturity and discipline than our current squad, despite being younger.

I'm very happy we won tonight, despite shooting ourselves in the foot. Actually...both feet. A couple of times each.

Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point, but I did say I was DRIVING this bandwagon among fellow fans, but now I'm pretty concerned. I do want to keep driving it. :D

How about that 49er game where we got down by 21 points right off the bat.We battled back only to lose that game. Troy Aikman called it one of the best games we played even though we lost.
 

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STAR GAZER;2262444 said:
BBQ'ed Chicken Little.

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I love that.
 

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jimmy40;2262763 said:
I would think his talking to all of you that were calling for Wade to be fired in the first half last night.
That was me :D I admit, on game day I'm liable to say anything, you have to excuse me it's like i'm on a drug or something during the game.:eek::
 

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RoyBiscuit;2262400 said:
First, let me say to the Mods: I apologize if this is misplaced or shouldn't be posted as a new thread. I've been reading this board since '03-'04, but tend to keep my thoughts to myself. Many people may feel this is a good thing once they read my rant...lol. Obviously, feel free to move/merge/delete at your leisure! ;)

Now that that's out of the way....let me say that in all the time I've been hanging around here, I get as much of a kick out of the "chicken littles" as anyone...I roll my eyes and have been PUMPED about this season.

If anyone cares, here are my thoughts on the game:

I'll take the win...but are you gonna tell me that you're comfortable with that performance?

Especially in the first half, on a national stage, the things that were highlighted and killed us were the very things that all the critics have been cutting us down for. And then some!

Embarrassing.

Enraging.

Unbelievable.

This team was presented with a chance to step up to the plate tonight, and in reality all they had to do to pass that test was to not f*** it up too much. They failed, in spite of the win. They played some incredibly BAD football, reminiscent of the 2002-2004 teams. With 10x the talent. Wow. Just wow.

Are you kidding me?! I'm extremely troubled with what I saw.

Amongst my friends, family and acquaintances, I've been driving this Cowboys bandwagon for 2008, but its been under the assumption that this team has learned from its past mistakes, that it has grown together and has been working as a cohesive unit to LEARN how to be a championship team.

I saw very little evidence of that against the Eagles, and that's being kind, even though they won.

I'm no expert by any means, but all night long it seemed to me that all 53 members of this team (and the coaches!!!) were hoping that the next series would bail them out. Fortunately for them, in the end they WERE bailed out. At no point did I see evidence of them deciding to take control, I never saw anyone take it upon themselves and say "F*** this, we're gonna win this game." If you need a reference as to what that's about, see Manning, Peyton...2nd half on Sunday in Minnesota. This is just one game, but the point is this: HUGE difference.

Again, I'll take the win, but the concern here is that sooner or later these things are going to bite you in the @$$ over a long NFL season, and at the worst possible time. It's what did us in last year. I remember us blowing out the defending NFC Champion Bears, the overhyped Eagles, and the streaking Giants, all on the road (I was in the crowd for two of those games). But what happened when the chips were down?

To further illustrate the point: think about the New England Patriots these past few years....even this year once they lost Tom Brady, how would they have played this game against the Eagles? If you think it would have been anything close to as sloppy, as undisciplined, as amateurish as the Cowboys played, IN SPITE of winning the game (which does encourage me, just not nearly enough), you're fooling yourself.

I can't think of any reason why the Cowboys sans Tony Romo would have looked nearly as good against the Jets in NY on Sunday. In fact, I would be the least surprised guy in the room had they lost.

And I have a hard time believing that the Brady-less Pats would have performed any worse against the Eagles tonight than the far-more-talented Cowboys SHOULD have. They wouldn't have let the Eagles even have a sniff of this game once it was 14-6, I can almost guarantee you that.

As much as I want to believe it, we're just not a complete team. Not yet. It's depressing, because we have all the pieces. It's demoralizing, because there's no legitimate reason why any fan of this team should feel this way.

There are 14 weeks left in this season, and a lot can happen, but lets be honest....between November of 2007 and right now, I have seen no evidence that this team has learned anything, or has the guts to overcome the true obstacles that have stood in the way since 2006. Hard Knocks fired me up, but tonight was a wakeup call. The bonehead mistakes, the cavalier attitude.... its the same as last year when we were 12-1 before collapsing.

Even though we won, this game came dangerously close to playing itself out as the worst case scenario, and the result came in spite of ourselves.

We got up early, even if it was with a few breaks, against an inferior team that could hang around only if we let them. To compound matters, it was a big game at home that could really set the tone for the rest of the 2008 season.

What happened?

I have loved to blame Parcells' exceedingly conservative approach for holding us back in '06, but now I'm not quite as sure. If he couldn't get this team to get its head out of its @$$, can Wade? I'm far from a Parcells fan, but so far, the answer is NO. I have a hard time believing we will average much less than 8-9 penalties PER GAME this year, most of them in costly situations like 3rd downs. That's junior varsity B.S. for a team that thinks it has all the tools....and completely unacceptable.

We do have a lot of talent, and thats the only reason we didn't get blown out tonight against Philly. But IMO its important to recognize that it was big plays that saved us, not guts or winning in the trenches.

Let's face some hard facts: we are totally ***'d if we don't get a lot tougher mentally and physically, and in a BIG hurry. We better develop an attitude that other teams need to prove themselves against us, and all we have to do is keep a cool head and play our game. We're not doing that.

These guys are soft and undisciplined. They believe their own hype, and think they are almost entitled to win if they just show up (remember how well that worked against the Giants in January?). Maybe thats because of Wade Phillips, or maybe its because of the equipment guys or some other factor....I don't know how, but thats the reality of the situation, whatever the cause. I can only hope Jerry Jones is aware of the cause and fixes it.

I bleed silver and blue, and I would LOVE to be proven wrong. But the fact is that I can't be on this bandwagon, nor can I believe that we have a legitimate shot to be champions with the way this coaching staff is shaping this team. I have not been given any reason to be confident with what I've seen on the field, despite all the talent we have. It's sad, and I hope I'm wrong. But there it is.

Bottom line: tell me with a straight face that this team can win in December and January with what you saw against the Eagles...and this is while we're relatively healthy and excited. That's all that matters this season, winning when it counts. We don't need to be 13-3 again...hell, we don't even need to win the division again, just get to January and then win when it matters.

We're an explosive team for sure, and we can score from anywhere on the field...but do we have the cajones in every phase of the game to survive until the end, and make other teams fear us? Not right now. I can tell you as someone living in NYC, that Giants fans had a lot of fun watching this game.

Please understand that none of this means that I believe that this team can't overcome its problems, because it ABSOLUTELY can. If they do, they will be unstoppable, no question. They are far and away the best team in the NFL if they CHOOSE to be. But I have a real fear that they may not.

That's it. Flame away if you must.


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There's no way I'm reading all of that...
 

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I guess you missed the AJ feely led eagles who outplayed and had the pats beat last year until feely just threw the game away?
 

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btcutter;2262457 said:
The way McNabb played TODAY. I honestly would say that the Pat without Brady can't stay close. Brady less Pats simply would not be able to keep up the score. Once the Pat falls behind, they are done.

A healthy McNabb presents SO many problems. He had 5-8 sec to throw sometimes because he was able to scramble and gotten out of would be sacks multiple time today. The pass rush can't stunt because of his escapability and that limits your pass rush.

I admit that we got a little lucky today. Multiple facemask penalties and Romo's carelessness with the ball bothers me more than anything else.

The first half was a disaster.

The 2nd half was what I was expecting and we outscored them 17-7.

We needed this game more than the Eagles did. Romo REALLY needed this game for his confidence.

We got holes.........so does every other team in the league. But I'll say this........NFC East is one killer division. There will be no sure W's in this division.

ps. enjoy the W ;) they aren't easy to come by.

pps. last year's cowboys would have allowed Eagles to score and lose this game.....I have NO Question in my mind.

Very good post.
 
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