Observations from an old-timer

[Doomsday]

Yeah!It does matter.If you could have gotten Frederick in the 2nd round,then you could have used the 1st rounder on something else.Not getting enough back in a trade,and reaching for players does matter.

You have no proof that he would still be there 20 picks later. There is also value in getting the player you want.

 

[muck4doo]

I would re-subscribe to Dallas Cowboys Weekly if they brought back the old team, format, and the new cheerleaders.

 

[DFWJC]

Sorry guys. Value is a HUGE in the draft. You have a somewhat fixed amount of currency (draft picks) that you need to spend as wisely as possible.

Yes, bottom line is that you want players that can help. But if you can get better players that hel p even more at the same draft slot or more good players for the same cost, you have to do it.

Both Dwayne Harris and Dez Bryant are helping out the team. But if they were in the same draft and I took Harris in the first round and passed on Bryant, even though Harris will help us, I did the team a huge disservice.
Value is huge.

Still, in the end the question is "did you make your team better". But getting more for your money (picks) ofter means you made your team more than just better.

 

[TheCount]

Not for nothing but:

"Who did we get?"
"Travis Frederick, Gavin Escobar, Terrance Williams, J.J. Wilcox, B.W. Webb, Joseph Randle, and DeVonte Holloman."

"Will they help the team?"
"I hope so."

is a very short, and not particularly engaging conversation. :laugh2:
You don't spend hours on a web forum because you want to hear, "I hope so."
You can have that conversation with anyone in an elevator ride.

People come here to analyze, argue, discuss and club others over the head with their own personal agendas.

Well, mostly to argue.

 

[muck4doo]

I would re-subscribe to Dallas Cowboys Weekly if they brought back the old team, format, and the new cheerleaders.

Didn't mean the old team of players. Meant the old team of people who ran the paper.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I blame it on the "Madden Syndrome"...where most of these kids/grownups think they know more about the NFL than people actually in the NFL.

This is distinctly American thing. Between the 'rugged individualism' that they teach in schools and the 'cosmic pulse' that we all tap into of Emmerson, it is deeply ingrained in this culture.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry guys. Value is a HUGE in the draft. You have a somewhat fixed amount of currency (draft picks) that you need to spend as wisely as possible.

Yes, bottom line is that you want players that can help. But if you can get better players that hel p even more at the same draft slot or more good players for the same cost, you have to do it.

Both Dwayne Harris and Dez Bryant are helping out the team. But if they were in the same draft and I took Harris in the first round and passed on Bryant, even though Harris will help us, I did the team a huge disservice.
Value is huge.

Still, in the end the question is "did you make your team better". But getting more for your money (picks) ofter means you made your team more than just better.

Value is so meaningless in this discussion that it is laughable. 'Value' that we argue about is based on cottage industry top 100 lists. What I view as important is good scouting and scheme assessment. 'Value' just seems like a buzzword generated by the cottage industry to quantify their lists.

More than half of all cottage industry top 50 prospects wash out and don't get a second contract. For every Dez Bryant I can bring up Ted Ginn. If you would have passed on a Matt Jones or a Mike Williams and selected Harris then who got value?

 

[DFWJC]

Value is so meaningless in this discussion that it is laughable. 'Value' that we argue about is based on cottage industry top 100 lists. What I view as important is good scouting and scheme assessment. 'Value' just seems like a buzzword generated by the cottage industry to quantify their lists.

More than half of all cottage industry top 50 prospects wash out and don't get a second contract. For every Dez Bryant I can bring up Ted Ginn. If you would have passed on a Matt Jones or a Mike Williams and selected Harris then who got value?

Speak for yourself.

Ask any GM at even the most elementary level, and he'll tell you Frederick is better "value" at 47 than at 31. This isn't rocket science.

And the Matt Jones' you speak of are the exceptions...don't even try to say there are as many of those because it's not remotely close.

Anyway, I agree that people rely too much on those lists. It's lunacy.

But we must be talking about value in a different way, because I think regardless of some list, Harris was a better "value" in the 6th than in the 1st round. I do think Gavin Escobar could end up being good--but regarldess of some top 100 list--I did not value him at 47 based on team needs and players available.
In fact, I would have taken 6-7 3rd rounders over him. That's just me and I don't even know where he was ranked on some list.

If you think value is meaningless, than keep on thinking...nothing I can do.