Observations of The Giants game and Eli Manning

[Velvet Jones]

2) for the Commanders Jason Campbell - For a QB who is suppose to thrive in a west coast system that he ran in Auburn he looked like a lost soul. He contually shown zero accuarcy on short and long range throws. He showed small abilty to avoid the sack of someone he see's coming, but will run right into a sack through his lack of poket awareness. His biggest problem though will come in his poor descion making, as he contually through the ball to either covered WR's, or WR's who were 8 yards short of the first down.

I know he is suppossed to do great in a WCO offense but aren't you required to get rid of the ball fast in that type of offense? Campbell is a big boy that has a slow realease on the ball.

 

[dargonking999]

I must've been watching a different game for stretches because the Campbell I saw put the ball on the money a lot of the time...If nothing else, it was confirmed that Thrash bears more than a spelling similarity to Trash...The guy missed at least 3 balls that were right in his hands...And let's not forget that the OLine didn't do a great job of keeping that pocket intact against a rush that lost 2 of it's best pass rushers

Campbell threw 27 passes and completed 15 of them. Moss Dropped one, And thrash missed only two. I counted him being thrown to only three times, catching one. Now as for the other 9 passes he missed, he was all over the place. Some he threw it short or behind the reciever, on others he over threw his recievers, and on other he just flat out missed reciever completly. There were a few 2 yard slants that he put the money on. But in the NFL if your only accuarate within 5 yards of the LOS, you will not be succesful in this league.

 

[dargonking999]

I know he is suppossed to do great in a WCO offense but aren't you required to get rid of the ball fast in that type of offense? Campbell is a big boy that has a slow realease on the ball.

Not only that, be he constantly held on to the ball, and second guessed almost every throw he wanted to make. He never looked like he confidence in where he was throwing

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Commanders suck

Giants suck

 

[Seven]

Zorn looked lost last night. The look in his eyes as he stared at the field was just sad.

The Skins play calling was weak to say the least.

I attribute it to Campbell. Zorn's look was primarily disbelief. I saw a convo on the sideline between him and Campbell and I read the words "you can't do that."

As far as the play calling...........You can only do what your QB allows you to. Run sets up the pass (for most) and the passing game was feeble at best.

 

[Seven]

Great avatar. One of the best movies of all-time.

Excuse the ignorance, gents. What movie are you referring to?

 

[tomson75]

Excuse the ignorance, gents. What movie are you referring to?

American Graffiti. A timeless period piece.

 

[Seven]

American Graffiti. A timeless period piece.

Never watched the whole movie. Shame on me.

:write:
Note to self.............

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Commanders suck

Giants suck

That's pretty much my assessment, also!

 

[Brandon4Cowboys]

I don't think Zorn and Campbell will mesh well. Zorn showed horrible presence with his non-clock management and Campbell looked like dog poo. His completions were mainly short tosses well short of the first down marker.

Eli did beat us, but still, he can be rattled if you pressure him hard enough. He's not as mentally strong in the pocket as some QBs.

 

[Rack]

I noticed that 90% of Eli's throws went to the left. He would stare the receiver down and really look no where else or go through his progressions if that was not opened he would force it.

Well you'd be wrong then cuz he didn't throw 90% of his passes to the left.


Definitely agree on the staring down Burress part though (I say Burress cuz he seems to go to him a lot more than anyone else). I said last night that all you have to do it play zone against them and key on Burress every play. Have the OLB on that side of the field drop into coverage every time and just watch the QB cuz the ball will be coming his way.

 

[onetrickpony]

I attribute it to Campbell. Zorn's look was primarily disbelief. I saw a convo on the sideline between him and Campbell and I read the words "you can't do that."

As far as the play calling...........You can only do what your QB allows you to. Run sets up the pass (for most) and the passing game was feeble at best.

I would more describe his look as "shell shocked." Maybe it was because of the play of Campbell, maybe he was just in over his head.

When you call runs on first and second down and then throw on third you are not giving your QB any help at all. I don't think Campbell is anywhere near ready to run a WCO but where was the short passing game on 1st or 2nd? I know, I know, they brought it out on 3rd down when most plays were short of the 1st down marker.

The clock management was also bad. You want to blame that on Campbell, too? Yes, Campbell was far from perfect but Zorn has to share the blame.

 

[Velvet Jones]

The clock management was also bad. You want to blame that on Campbell, too? Yes, Campbell was far from perfect but Zorn has to share the blame.

Share, sure. But it wasn't Zorn who checked down constantly. Campbell was either throwing to his first target no matter what or he checked all the way down for his underneath. I can't believe that all those 3 yad passes in their two minute warning were where Zorn wanted him to throw it.

 

[bbgun]

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"And you wanna be my latex salesman."

 

[Velvet Jones]

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"And you wanna be my latex salesman."

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[onetrickpony]

Share, sure. But it wasn't Zorn who checked down constantly. Campbell was either throwing to his first target no matter what or he checked all the way down for his underneath. I can't believe that all those 3 yad passes in their two minute warning were where Zorn wanted him to throw it.

Campbell doesn't call his own plays. I agree he locked onto his first receiver and rarely checked down unless it was to his safety valve. He took several sacks because of this when he held the ball too long waiting for the 1st option to come open. He also wandered around in the pocket and contributed to the sacks. But he didn't call the runs and he didn't keep the team in the huddle when the should have been in the hurry up. That was all Zorn

I really don't know why we are debating this. Campbell and Zorn were both awful. My original comment was about the look on Zorn's face. He may well have been shocked by how bad Campbell played, but you would think after the off-season, OTAs, training camp, and pre-season he would have known how bad Campbell was. He could certainly have picked up from last seasons film how bad Campbell is at reading defenses.

Zorn needs to get a grip quick or he is in for a long season and a short HC career at DC.

 

[Seven]

I would more describe his look as "shell shocked." Maybe it was because of the play of Campbell, maybe he was just in over his head.

When you call runs on first and second down and then throw on third you are not giving your QB any help at all. I don't think Campbell is anywhere near ready to run a WCO but where was the short passing game on 1st or 2nd? I know, I know, they brought it out on 3rd down when most plays were short of the 1st down marker.

The clock management was also bad. You want to blame that on Campbell, too? Yes, Campbell was far from perfect but Zorn has to share the blame.

I absolutely will blame the QB, any QB, for clock management. There was no method to the play calling because they could not set anything up with a very inconsistent QB. I'm not placing all the blame on Campbell just a big portion of it. JMO, of course.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Eli is the MVP!

 

[onetrickpony]

Eli is the MVP!

LOL!
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[TellerMorrow34]

I wouldn't, and couldn't even if I wanted to, argue that Campbell didn't look like trash and wasn't a large part of the blame. He of course was.

But Zorn looked EXACTLY how I felt he was going to look the moment the games started to actually count and teams were seriously game planning. He looked like a rookie head coach with zero play calling, and zero coordinator experience. He looked just as lost, and his play calling selection made it clear he was either completely out of his element, and had no idea what to do (Which I think was a big portion of it), or he just had zero confidence in his entire offense, especially his quarterback. I think that played a part as well.