Observing Wade's 'D' one more time

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Laker24diehard;1558862 said:
Dallas D is better! No butts about that! Girls do not know football like men do! We did happen to beat the Super Bowl Champs in the regular season and we have upgraded this season in the draft and free agency along with a Wade Phillips a better defense schemer!
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Seriously, you saying that Women, not girls, do not know football like men do makes yet another of the few opinions you've posted seem like you know very little about the game of football yourself.
 

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you got that right Laker, this defense is primed for a super year, you got to take into consideration, when the defense was turned loose against the colts, and we beat them, what would happen if a great defense coordinator like wade phillips tutors the defense,

championship defense to get you into the playoffs and have a reallly bad bad nasty defense.

granted, right now, our defensive line compared to san diegos isnt that great, but when they were turned loose, they got after peyton manning and sacked him silly.

so in retrorespect, this defense will turn it on this year, which in turn will allow tony romo to perform better, and not be pressed so much.

i see us getting to the playoffs, most likely the title game in the playoffs, we might not get past that, but if we get McFadden next year, look out, super bowl here we come.
 

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WoodysGirl;1558845 said:
The keyword in your post is IF. If this happens, then they'll be better. If that happens, then they'll be better.

Dallas d-linemen still have to prove they can be all-world. SD d-line actually has been all-world. Until then, SD is better. Not going to say leaps and bounds better, but they're better.


It's o.k. to give S.D. the edge now. However, it should be done with caution, and you have used caution.

When conducting scientific experiments, the conditions should be constant or the same when comparing "x" with "Y".

The "conditions" have not been the same for the two respective defenses. San Diego played aggressive and Dallas played good and solid but conservative on defense. For Dallas, I'll discount December.

We are fixing to find out for real, because the conditions or style of play will be constant for the most part.
 

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Laker24diehard;1558862 said:
Dallas D is better! No butts about that! Girls do not know football like men do! We did happen to beat the Super Bowl Champs in the regular season and we have upgraded this season in the draft and free agency along with a Wade Phillips a better defense schemer!

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MCowboys;1558800 said:
I wish you were right, but Castillo is much better than any DE we have, Jamaal Williams is better than Fergueson, and Shaun Phillips plays LOLB, not inside linebacker. Phillips and Merriman are as of right now better than Ware and Spencer/Ellis. Our secondary is probably better than San Diego, but their front seven is definetely better until we prove otherwise.
I agree with this statement.
 

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cowboyjoe;1558795 said:
Ok, i say overall Dallas defense better , here is why!!!!
Dallas LDE Marcus Spears SanDiego LDE Lou Castillo Equal
NT Jason Fergueson NT Jamaal Williams Equal
RDE Chris Canty RDE Igor Olshansky Equal but Canty maybe all pro this year


(D) *LOLB Gregg Ellis/Spencer LOLB Stephen Cooper Dallas due to E/Spencer
(SD *) MILB Brady James MILB Shawn Phillips just alittle to PhillipsSD
(D *)MILB Akin Odole MILB Stephen Cooper Dallas Odole (with Burnett and Carpenter a bigger edge)
WOLB Demarcus Ware WOLB Shawn Merriman Equal

(D *) LCB Terrnace Newman LCB Quentin Jahmer Dallas Newman better
(D*)SS Roy Williams SS Jue Blawoh Dallas Williams better
(D*) WS Ken Hamlin FS Marlon McCree Dallas Hamlin better
RCB Anthony Henry RCB Antonio Cromartie equal

so, i see the cowboys just having alittle edge with ILB with burnett and carpenter, next our secondary is superior than SD, so with a better pass rush, with Ellis and Spencer, that should give us even a super super secondary; if you watched the SD/Patriot playoff game, their secondary was SD main problem. With us having a better secondary, addition of spencer, health of ellis, more free lancing for spears, canty, and hatcher, we should be better on defensive line too,

so all in all, our defense should be totally superior, joe
And why would Cromartie be equal to Henry? Why is Bradie James equal to Phillips?
 

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jamal williams and castillo are better than fergi and spears.
 

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And why would Cromartie be equal to Henry? Why is Bradie James equal to Phillips?


cromartie, is just as good as henry due to henrys injury problems the last 2 years.

james is equal to philips due to year before james was coming into his own, then he got fat, and out of shape trying to put on extra weight to stay up to handling the bigger offensive guards that parcells wanted him to play against, without defensive linemen keeping him off of him

so i was trying to be fair and impartial, so i gave dallas only one edge in the linebacker section, but in the secondary is where the cowboys are superior to the chargers

now keep in mind, i am going on the defensive line play that when the cowboys defense was allowed to attack against the colts, they did that and more, then if you add in when the cowboys were top ranked defense till greg ellis went down, so now if you take into consideration, defensive linemen now being allowed to play one gap instead of two gap, they will be just as good possibly and most likely better than san diegos defensive line

finally, i am going on what i saw in the cowboy-colt game, and what i heard from the offseason pratices,
1st, spears finally got in shape, just like he did when lsu won national championship, all linebackers lost 20 pounds to be faster, so that will help in wade phillips defense, and if you look at all places wade phillips took over, the defense excelled
2nd chris canty was unstoppable in one on one blocking in pratices, sure thats offseason, but at same time, leonard davis is no slouch to get around
3rd, we got another pass rusher in spencer that will help our pass rush and he is more of a player like physical shawn merriman, i am not saying he is shawn merriman, but he is that style of player, all you have to do is go back and ask top ranked offensive tackle joe thomas, whom was the toughest player he went up against, he said anthony spencer, and spencer has good speed in the 40 too, at 6-3, 266 with 4.63 thats pretty good
4th, reporters also said hatcher had a good offseason pratice too, so thats anther young pass rusher, if you look at most defensive linemen, it takes them 2-3 years to come on, look at ware, last year, he finally broke the 10 sack limit, so we will have more of a pass rush

its like randy white said, it took him 2 years, randy said, you had to learn the little baby steps on defensive line, so thats why i say our front seven is better than san diego, and just like one gm said last year, defensively the dallas cowboys have one of the best young front seven in the league,

now with spears 3 years, canty 3 years, ratliff 3 years, ware 4 years after this year, hatcher 2 years after this year, so you should really see something from him by midseason, just like offensive line, it takes 2-3 years for offensive and defensive lines to jell together, so look out, this year i feel is going to be our year

to back that up, in 1974 too tall jones, 73 harvey martin, 75 randy white, in 76 we were knocking on the door, but got knocked off by fluke play against washington, but in 1977 superbowl with a nasty defensive line,

in 91 i believe leon lett, 90 james jones, 89 tony tolbert, 92 charles haley and russell maryland super bowl that year,
89 mark stepnoski, 91 erik williams best i remember, gesek trade 92, rest is history, it takes young defensive and offensive linemen 2-3 years to come on,
 

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and refering to the 74 with too tall jones, 73 harvey martin, 75 with randy white we went to superbowl that year in 1975, sure lost against steelers, but we all know why dallas lost that game in 1975, refs were scared of steelers, no penalties against steelers in that game, and chuck noll was on the nfl rules commission and he had the rules wrapped up as head moderator, if you remember in 75 super bowl, mel blount kneeded golden richards in the head with his knees, refs looked at him, discussed it but no flat, later jack lambert decked cliff harris after field goal, refs saw it no flag. i am not making excuses, those things happen, but we all know why steelers won,
 

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i thought the chargers weren't as aggressive as they usually are against the pats
 

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41gy#;1558822 said:
If Spears, the 20th pick in 05, can match Castillo's production from a pressure standpoint and become a disruptive force....

...don't hold your breff on that one.
 

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Just think how good Ware will be at this? I read a recent story where Ware was credited with more talent then lights on.
 

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rathalarge;1558773 said:
I noticed that while watching the SD vs. NE playoff game on NFL Replay, that when standing, Shawn Merriman mostly didn't rush the QB immediately, sometimes shuffling a couple of steps into coverage or getting a read on a possible draw play. Whe he did rush standing, it was almost as if he was making sure the OT was about to engage with the DE shooting between the G-T gap. Merriman would then use his great speed and strength off the edge to get into the backfield. This is what I think the coaching staff means when they say the players will be allowed to freelance once there responsibilities have been secured. I also noticed that when rushing from the down position, NE's OT was able to identify Merriman as a rusher and the SD 'D' was less effective, as Brady was able to march his team down the field for a score right before halftime. I believe it when other's say we have way more talent on our defense, and when you think of ALL the possible linebacker, D-Line packages we can use, hopefully we will be destructive to opposing offenses this season.

Good observations. He almost came on a delayed blitz several times.

I have to admit, their defense played very well and forced a lot of errant Brady throws. They just seemed cursed as their offense would make a crucial error (the muff on the punt return was huge) to kill it. That is par for the course with a Schottenheimer team however.
 

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burmafrd;1559159 said:
WG- how in the world do you give SD an ALL WORLD D LINE?
It's just a word, burma. The whole point of it is SD's d-line has proved successful at getting to QB. We HOPE the 'boys d-line can generate something even close to the same amount of pressure.
 

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cowboyjoe;1558997 said:
cromartie, is just as good as henry due to henrys injury problems the last 2 years.

Cromartie doesn't even start for them; Drayton Florence does. How is he as good as Henry?

james is equal to philips due to year before james was coming into his own, then he got fat, and out of shape trying to put on extra weight to stay up to handling the bigger offensive guards that parcells wanted him to play against, without defensive linemen keeping him off of him

You could not be any more wrong. Phillips is a dynamic player who makes plays. Even at his best, Bradie James is the type of player you can find almost anywhere. At his worst, like he was late last year, he's not even starting material.

so i was trying to be fair and impartial,

Hardly.

now keep in mind, i am going on the defensive line play that when the cowboys defense was allowed to attack against the colts, they did that and more, then if you add in when the cowboys were top ranked defense till greg ellis went down, so now if you take into consideration, defensive linemen now being allowed to play one gap instead of two gap, they will be just as good possibly and most likely better than san diegos defensive line

Stress "possibly". Castillo is borderline All Pro and Williams is a superior 3-4 nose. About the only observation you made that is close is between Canty and Olshansky.

I am not saying your optimism about the DL is wrong, just not yet verified. Give them a season in Phillips' version of the defense and they might come through.
 

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MCowboys;1558800 said:
. Our secondary is probably better than San Diego, but their front seven is definetely better until we prove otherwise.

I think Phillip's style of defense has something to do with that...some of those guys might not be as productive as they were if they played in another scheme (say, ours of the past few seasons)

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Sarge;1559147 said:
...don't hold your breff on that one.

care to bet on it?

I really think if he's healthy he will have a breakthrough season

David
 

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dbair1967;1559181 said:
I think Phillip's style of defense has something to do with that...some of those guys might not be as productive as they were if they played in another scheme (say, ours of the past few seasons)

David

No kidding... I don't understand why so many love Castillo so much. Or why it's so "homeristic" (the worst pejorative in the language for some people) to say that our lines are comparable. Jamal Williams is a great NT, and even though Fergy was good last year, he's not as good as Williams. Other than that, the talent is roughly comparable.

Saying things like Romo is close to Tom Brady as a QB, or Barber can be a top NFL RB... That's blind homerism.
 
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