Observing Wade's 'D' one more time

[Noryb]

jamal williams and castillo are better than fergi and spears.

Why do people keep saying this? I know stats aren't everything but Jason Furgeson stats are better than Jamal Williams over the past five years even though Furgeson played under Parcells for 2 of those years. So if Jamal is better it doesn’t show in his stats.

For their careers:
Ferguson has had 3 or more sacks in a season 5 times. Jamal Williamson has done it once.
Ferguson has had 40 or more tackles in a season 6 times. Jamal Williamson has done it 3 times.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Total Tkl Ast Sacks
2002 San Diego Chargers 23 19 4 2.5
2003 San Diego Chargers 33 24 9 1
2004 San Diego Chargers 32 25 7 4
2005 San Diego Chargers 53 40 13 0
2006 San Diego Chargers 69 49 20 2
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::210 157 53 9.5


:::::::::::::::::::::::::Total Tkl Ast Sacks
2002New York Jets 63 42 21 3
2003New York Jets 75 52 23 4.5
2004New York Jets 58 36 22 3.5
2005Dallas Cowboys 37 27 10 1
2006Dallas Cowboys 46 32 14 0
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::279 189 90 12

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that last year, San Diego's front 7 was better. I don't know about this year. I think they have an issue with there Inside LBs.

 

[Teague31]

Why do people keep saying this? I know stats aren't everything but Jason Furgeson stats are better than Jamal Williams over the past five years even though Furgeson played under Parcells for 2 of those years. So if Jamal is better it doesn’t show in his stats.

For their careers:
Ferguson has had 3 or more sacks in a season 5 times. Jamal Williamson has done it once.
Ferguson has had 40 or more tackles in a season 6 times. Jamal Williamson has done it 3 times.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Total Tkl Ast Sacks
2002 San Diego Chargers 23 19 4 2.5
2003 San Diego Chargers 33 24 9 1
2004 San Diego Chargers 32 25 7 4
2005 San Diego Chargers 53 40 13 0
2006 San Diego Chargers 69 49 20 2
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::210 157 53 9.5


:::::::::::::::::::::::::Total Tkl Ast Sacks
2002New York Jets 63 42 21 3
2003New York Jets 75 52 23 4.5
2004New York Jets 58 36 22 3.5
2005Dallas Cowboys 37 27 10 1
2006Dallas Cowboys 46 32 14 0
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::279 189 90 12

I can't imagine that any GM in the league would tell you Fergi is better than Jamal Williams. Williams is in the top 2 NT's in the game.

 

[Noryb]

I can't imagine that any GM in the league would tell you Fergi is better than Jamal Williams. Williams is in the top 2 NT's in the game.

And I wouldn't argue that, but why do they feel this way. I don’t have the luxury of watching every game Jamal plays. All I can do is look at stats. Do you realize how shocked I was to see that Ferguson numbers were clearly better than Jamal’s.

I just think Ferguson is underrated and highly underappreciated.

 

[bayarealightning]

Ok, i say overall Dallas defense better , here is why!!!!
Dallas LDE Marcus Spears SanDiego LDE Lou Castillo Equal
NT Jason Fergueson NT Jamaal Williams Equal
RDE Chris Canty RDE Igor Olshansky Equal but Canty maybe all pro this year


(D) *LOLB Gregg Ellis/Spencer LOLB Stephen Cooper Dallas due to E/Spencer
(SD *) MILB Brady James MILB Shawn Phillips just alittle to PhillipsSD
(D *)MILB Akin Odole MILB Stephen Cooper Dallas Odole (with Burnett and Carpenter a bigger edge)
WOLB Demarcus Ware WOLB Shawn Merriman Equal

(D *) LCB Terrnace Newman LCB Quentin Jahmer Dallas Newman better
(D*)SS Roy Williams SS Jue Blawoh Dallas Williams better
(D*) WS Ken Hamlin FS Marlon McCree Dallas Hamlin better
RCB Anthony Henry RCB Antonio Cromartie equal

so, i see the cowboys just having alittle edge with ILB with burnett and carpenter, next our secondary is superior than SD, so with a better pass rush, with Ellis and Spencer, that should give us even a super super secondary; if you watched the SD/Patriot playoff game, their secondary was SD main problem. With us having a better secondary, addition of spencer, health of ellis, more free lancing for spears, canty, and hatcher, we should be better on defensive line too,

so all in all, our defense should be totally superior, joe

I haven't read through this thread yet, but Spears is not equal to Castillo. You hope that he is by what Parcells asked him to do, but he right now is not equal. And Shaun Phillips is an OLB and Cooper is an ILB.

What happened right before half-time in that game is that Wade went to a prevent defense and N.E. was able to march down the field. You want to hope that Wade doesn't adhere to that way of thinking as your coach.

 

[Vintage]

I haven't read through this thread yet, but Spears is not equal to Castillo. You hope that he is by what Parcells asked him to do, but he right now is not equal. And Shaun Phillips is an OLB and Cooper is an ILB.

What happened right before half-time in that game is that Wade went to a prevent defense and N.E. was able to march down the field. You want to hope that Wade doesn't adhere to that way of thinking as your coach.

No kidding right now its not equal.

I am not on the "Parcells held Spears back" bandwagon. Maybe Parcells did...but you can still go out and do your job performing at a good level even if the scheme doesn't entirely benefit your strengths.

We saw that from Ferguson this year.

We didn't see it from Spears.

 

[Vintage]

And I wouldn't argue that, but why do they feel this way. I don’t have the luxury of watching every game Jamal plays. All I can do is look at stats. Do you realize how shocked I was to see that Ferguson numbers were clearly better than Jamal’s.

I just think Ferguson is underrated and highly underappreciated.

I feel that way because Williams is better.

 

[bayarealightning]

No kidding... I don't understand why so many love Castillo so much. Or why it's so "homeristic" (the worst pejorative in the language for some people) to say that our lines are comparable. Jamal Williams is a great NT, and even though Fergy was good last year, he's not as good as Williams. Other than that, the talent is roughly comparable.

Saying things like Romo is close to Tom Brady as a QB, or Barber can be a top NFL RB... That's blind homerism.

Castillo had 7 sacks and he missed time due to an injury. Who had 7 sacks last year playing DE for the 'Boys that played 16 games?

I think you guys have a lot of talent and Wade should bring that out.

 

[dbair1967]

No kidding right now its not equal.

I am not on the "Parcells held Spears back" bandwagon. Maybe Parcells did...but you can still go out and do your job performing at a good level even if the scheme doesn't entirely benefit your strengths.

We saw that from Ferguson this year.

We didn't see it from Spears.

actually we did, its a huge misconception to say otherwise...he was asked to hold his ground and tie up blockers...its what our DL's were instructed to do, and thats what Spears and Canty did...both were in the games on basically only runnning downs, and our run defense was pretty good for the most part, would you not agree?

David

 

[Doomsday101]

actually we did, its a huge misconception to say otherwise...he was asked to hold his ground and tie up blockers...its what our DL's were instructed to do, and thats what Spears and Canty did...both were in the games on basically only runnning downs, and our run defense was pretty good for the most part, would you not agree?

David

They were asked to play run 1st that does not mean you don't get off your blocker once you determine that it is a pass.

 

[Seven]

HOMER ALERT!

This thread shows the disturbing signing of HOMERISM!

Please wear your mask before posting.

Thank you.

The management.

We have masks? When I ordered the "kit" all I got was glasses and some koolaid mix. (I hate mixed fruit) BTW, my glasses are broke, I can't see a damn thing with those things. Could I exchange them for the goggles?

 

[WoodysGirl]

I feel that way because Williams is better.

But why do you feel that way? Not taking any particular position here.

Noryb makes a great point, IMO. If Fergie and JW's numbers are virtually equal, how do you know for a fact that Williams is better. Their responsibilities were different yes, but even if their responsibilities were different and Fergie's numbers come out better then how does that observation become so clear cut to you? Can you say that you've watched enough SD games with the same critical Cowboys fan eye to know for a fact that Williams is more of a beast up the middle than Fergie?

I just wonder...and that curiousity would apply to anyone who thinks SD's defense is far and away better. I think they're better as a group, but again not as much as it's been made out to be.

 

[dbair1967]

They were asked to play run 1st that does not mean you don't get off your blocker once you determine that it is a pass.

go back and look at the teams Parcells coached over the years...other than Leonard Marshall none of his DE's in the 3-4 ever produced many "numbers"

its the style of play...their job first and foremost is to hold the point of attack and free up LB's...if you do that the majority of the time and then are pulled on the vast majority of 3rd downs when teams are more inclined to pass, you arnt going to get sacks and pressures

this is a common sense thing people

David

 

[Doomsday101]

go back and look at the teams Parcells coached over the years...other than Leonard Marshall none of his DE's in the 3-4 ever produced many "numbers"

its the style of play...their job first and foremost is to hold the point of attack and free up LB's...if you do that the majority of the time and then are pulled on the vast majority of 3rd downs when teams are more inclined to pass, you arnt going to get sacks and pressures

this is a common sense thing people

David

It is common sense to know when it is not a running play to get off your blocker instead of standing their hand fighting with the guy in front of you and go after the passer. I don't expect the down linemen in a 3-4 to produce a lot of sacks I do expect them to collapse the pocket. Now if you want to think the guys executed their assignements exactly how they should have then we just disagree.

 

[Noryb]

I feel that way because Williams is better.

And he may be, but his stats aren't.

 

[dbair1967]

It is common sense to know when it is not a running play to get off your blocker instead of standing their hand fighting with the guy in front of you and go after the passer. I don't expect the down linemen in a 3-4 to produce a lot of sacks I do expect them to collapse the pocket. Now if you want to think the guys executed their assignements exactly how they should have then we just disagree.

I guess you need to do a little more research then on what our style was and what these guys were asked to do...I had thought it was blatantly obvious to all, especially after all the comments on why guys liked the new scheme...but apparently there are still some who dont see it

guess we'll start seeing in a couple weeks

David

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess you need to do a little more research then on what our style was and what these guys were asked to do...I had thought it was blatantly obvious to all, especially after all the comments on why guys liked the new scheme...but apparently there are still some who dont see it

guess we'll start seeing in a couple weeks

David

I think the players could benefit from Phillips system, but sorry no our guys did not execute the past system very well. You said Only Marshall put up decent number, well so did Erik Howard or at least much better than what I saw from our defensive down lineman and Jim Burt was no slouch either. Lastly I'm not talking sacks as much as I'm talking about disruption of the pocket which Dallas front did not do very well at, Ware could bring the outside pressure but many times the QB would step up into a pretty clean pocket.

 

[28 Joker]

...don't hold your breff on that one.

Why so liittle faith in Spears? He has only played two years. He was drafted ahead of Castillo. Castillo has been played differently than Spears. Even Ferguson said Parcells played more conservative than he did with the Jets. The players' weights on defense ballooned; Parcells allowed them to get too big. Even Ware said he was too heavy and muscle bound in the middle of the year. Ferguson said the the d-line looked like "a bunch of elephants dancing down the line" at times last year. James, Carpenter, Ware, Williams, Spears, Ferguson, and Akin were all too heavy last year. Who's fault was that? Parcells' problem was that he didn't delegate authority. He was on top of those weights, because he was on top of everything. Moreover, he sure never called them out for being over weight. Why? He approved of those weights, or the "Chubby Checker" cat calls would have been voiced by him in the media.

I'm glad his 1980s style of defense is gone, because now we are all going to see soon how that syle held the d-line back. People can talk about the lack of pressure all they want, but Canty, Spears, and Ferguson did their jobs very well against the run.

I watched Spears play at LSU, and I'll put my chips down and take my chances with him. Some people want to "see" it. Well, I saw him do it at LSU when he played in a defense run by a Bill Belichick disciple. There is no reason a sleeker, quicker, and more aggressive Marcus Spears can't get the job done at DE.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the San Diego pass-rush, w/o a doubt, was much better than our's, whether that is due to the players, or the scheme, shall be determined this year, or maybe not

I would take our secondary over their's any day of the week and twice on Sunday though

 

[JezCat]

The reason you guys are being called "homers" is because the sack totals prove SD is better by far. Your idea that Dallas' front 7 is better is purely wishful thinking. You're assuming Canty and Spears will both have breakout seasons and Spencer will make a difference. Hamlin isn't guaranteed to be a success either. Just because NFL GMs projected our defense to have the most talent that didn't win us any ballgames. They have to prove they are better this season and until then.......SD is much better easily.